This topic will remain locked until the flamers calm down, at which time it will be unlocked.
The idea is being discussed, and so far it is practically one sided. Silverline has not made his opinion as of yet, but will most likely agree. RMRK will NOT enforce the personal or moral opinions of the staff, we are not fascist. Because this is only a moral decision, it will be left to the members to make. If YOU do not want to print author's work without their permission then do not, simple.
It gets me how DS stated locking the topic due to flamers... It seems the topic's writer is at right and us that respect Bliazzard are in the wrong ?
So, if you don't have their permission, you can do it anyways?
Do you know who posted Blizzards Scripts ?
But it was right for them to be posted? It's right for Blizzard's hard work to be posted in a place he specifically made sure they were stripped from?QuoteDo you know who posted Blizzards Scripts ?
Numerous people have access the the Anon account, besides, it was posted in that account for a reason.
As said, this has nothing to do with offending Blizzard, it has to do with this site not turning to fascism.
Absolutly, I'm not going to put up with this bullshit!We all know it was a mod, and I'm betting it was either DS or Arrow-1.
Let me rephrase that, knowing how they acted on IRC, I KNOW one of them posted it.
But it was right for them to be posted? It's right for Blizzard's hard work to be posted in a place he specifically made sure they were stripped from?
It is not our job, nor our opinion that it is correct to enforce our moral views upon you.
No, people who want to push their moral views on others are wrong.
As said, this has nothing to do with offending Blizzard, it has to do with this site not turning to fascism.
You would rather be in a site that oppresses it's members? You have a biased view towards Blizzard, that is the only reason you care. You want those scripts removed because they are HIS scripts, not because they simply have been reproduced without the authors consent. Would you really be saying the same thing if this was some random persons scripts you didn't know..?
I'm assuming no, meaning you only want THESE scripts taken down because you know the person, not because of any moral high-ground.
Why not post links to his site
Yeah, I'm convinced you posted the scripts. You always seem to be the one who's replying back to us.
After Blizzard left he didn't get a nice send off and some people continued to dig his hole that little deeper... It seems that hole is still being dug... So much for Blizzard not being missed, his scripts being posted back up are testament to his worth !!
I my Eye's this shows Blizzard's work as being too good to be missed, and its a sad attempt at getting back some of the magic that left when he did.
it was posted in that account for a reason.
I know nothing about scripting
DS - You said this:-Quoteit was posted in that account for a reason.
What do you know that we don't ?...
(About this topic...)
I'm sure she knows who posted them. I'm not one to make assumptions, but she DID post in that thread, no big deal, unless you consider she never posts in the RPG Maker forums.
I would not allow this site to become one of fascism.
"YOU ARE A FUCKING CUNT BITCH ASSHOLE MOTHERFUCKER"
I deem to be out of line will be acted upon with haste.
...What makes you people so sure anonymous is a mod account anyway?
For instance:Quote"YOU ARE A FUCKING CUNT BITCH ASSHOLE MOTHERFUCKER"
Link it, then consider it gone.
In that case why not put this to a Vote... Make a poll or some thing !!!
Some thing that I hold heavily is respect for the wishes of others.
If this went to a vote and the majority wanted them to stay as they are then fine... I wont say another word...
I still think abusing power to give people one option, your option, or oppressing people's opinions or locking topics due to controversy is being fascist so by your own meassure I would say you have already taken a big step in the wrong direction... You pretty much slate every one as being wrong if they have any other opinion to your own... Is that being Democratic ?
The way I see it, the poster was actually flaming. He/She did it out of foolish, petty spite, and not out of any desire to aid the community. The object of the flame was Blizzard and people who respect Blizzard, like Falcon and LoS. The post is a flame, plain and simple, and has no other object than to injure people. The intention of the thread was entirely inflammatory, and as you know, flaming is against the rules. Therefore, moderation is required in this instance.
The only way this makes sense is if it is an act of spite and childishness !!
Flacon is a good member, helping and giving to this forum, fair enough he shouldn't be flamming... But I don't see this as flamming... I mean DS is saying if we don't allow Blizzards scripts to appear we are pretty much as bad as the Nazi's... That's Bull !!!...
What I am asking is there away of getting the IP and working out who posted it...?
I haven't pointed a finger or accused any one... Some have... But Have not... I would like to know who done it...
It would appear where it says "Logged." I think only Silverline and the account can see it.Quote...What makes you people so sure anonymous is a mod account anyway?
What I am asking is there away of getting the IP and working out who posted it...?
Your IP address is shown only to you and moderators. Remember that this information is not identifying, and that most IPs change periodically.
You cannot see other members' IP addresses, and they cannot see yours.
QuoteThe way I see it, the poster was actually flaming. He/She did it out of foolish, petty spite, and not out of any desire to aid the community. The object of the flame was Blizzard and people who respect Blizzard, like Falcon and LoS. The post is a flame, plain and simple, and has no other object than to injure people. The intention of the thread was entirely inflammatory, and as you know, flaming is against the rules. Therefore, moderation is required in this instance.
Then I would have to assume that you posted them up, seeing as you have such a clear idea of this persons intentions.
It's quite obvious that that was the intention. You'd have to be blind not to see the spite in both the fact that he doesn't credit Blizzard, and his initial response to my objection.
This has nothing to do with a majority opinion, this has to do with peoples personal rights within this forum. I do not care if every single person disagrees with this, I will not oppress any members rights.
The member rights ?... So an Anom Member who posted under a faceless flag has equal rights to every one else...?
The only reason they choose to remain Anom was for the simple reason they knew a divide would be created over this...
The last thing I want is to be accused of is flamming... I see this as me sticking up for Blizzard as a Mark of Respect... Nothing more.
What's the point of this whole argument? Saucy can never be wrong from what I've been observing.
The member rights ?... So an Anom Member who posted under a faceless flag has equal rights to every one else...?
The last thing I want is to be accused of is flamming... I see this as me sticking up for Blizzard as a Mark of Respect... Nothing more.
No, It's a simple statement. Link me to one time she admitted she was wrong.What's the point of this whole argument? Saucy can never be wrong from what I've been observing.
Excuse me, Irock? That meant to be a jab at her character? You know, a flame?
Exactly, if it was anyone else's scripts you wouldn't have cared, you're trying to enforce a biased personal opinion upon others. No one has that right. It's petty authoritarianism.
It's quite obvious that that was the intention. You'd have to be blind not to see the spite in both the fact that he doesn't credit Blizzard, and his initial response to my objection.
Your idea of 'obvious' is nothing but a point of view. Unless you did post them up you have no clue the members intent.
I vote for a lock of this thread. All relevant points have been made, statements are being repeated. Objections?
Arkbennett - I know of you... Your another amazing scripter !!! WOW...
And you raise an interesting point... I suppose where ever they are posted it's still advertising the work of the creator... And in this case things may be overly blown out of proportion as most of us know how strongly Blizzard felt around the time of his departure...
It's mainly as the topic title depicts... Disrespect... does any not agree that some disrespect has been cast towards Blizzard ?
Blizzard gave a fair amount while he was here... I don't think it's right to continue taking from him... Respect means a fair amount to me... But I suppose I have to respect the choice of the MODS I mean if I can't respect those that run the boards decision then I am only going to cause myself undue stress...
If you guys make the choice to keep the scripts up then that's your choice, I will respect that, and I will just ignore the Blizzard script topic, and not make it my business... But all I ask is you take on board that Blizzard deserves better.
Good night... 4.05pm !!!
How about we just shut up until Roph's opinion is heard?
Can you guys go one week without drama?
Anyway, blah bleh blooh, read most of the posts etc, points taken, but at the end of, are you trying to piss blizzard off or anything?
He doesn't want his stuff here. I don't particularly like him due to the events leading up and around his leaving, but I'm not going to spite him by posting his stuff that I know for absolute certain he really doesn't want here. Even though I've pretty much lost respect for him, I'll respect his wishes with his own work and where he wants it used. If you want to use blizzard's scripts, go to his site.
I don't care about whatever moral precedent you're trying to use, keeping them here is just asking for trouble which would negatively effect RMRK. They're gone.
~fin
I guess that ends this discussion...so, what would happen to the perpetrator/Culprit? Out of Curiosity if I can ask, or should I shut my mouth up? >_>;;;
I wasn't going to do anything until Roph said something, and since Blizzard's scripts are gone and DS is no longer a mod, all my reasons for leaving are invalid >.<:V lol