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Title: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Malson on January 21, 2007, 04:57:55 PM
I make this thread in hopes that it gets stickied, and in hopes that it cleanses the vat of stupidity this particular forum has turned into. There have been several new members posting here, and primarily here, that clearly do not know what this forum is truly all about. Simply because the name of the forum is Intelligent Debate doesn't mean each and every thread has to be about religion, or the war on drugs, or the war in Iraq, or any of that shit. The point of this forum is for someone to make a thread in which they do not want spam. There have been a couple people making tons of threads that have already been made, simply because they haven't discussed the topic here yet. You know who you are. You do not need to make these threads. You do not look any more intelligent making said threads. Sure, if you'd like to discuss these topics, and have a strong valid argument or inquiry, and are not making the threads because talking about it makes you feel intellectual, then make the damn threads. But check first to see if it's already been made, so that this forum doesn't become a shit hole again.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Arrow on January 21, 2007, 04:59:13 PM
*starts a slow clap*
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Blizzard on January 21, 2007, 05:10:55 PM
*continues clapping and becomes louder*

rep++

Also many threads could have been posted in General chat instead of here. They are not "intellectual" enough IMO. *moves one topic to show he means it*
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: GilgameshRO on January 22, 2007, 04:07:43 AM
Like anyone will actually notice this. They tend to ignore stickies.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Deliciously_Saucy on January 22, 2007, 04:10:51 AM
Yeh I know I didn't notice it...
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Arrow on January 22, 2007, 04:28:00 AM
If only there was a way to display that message everytime someone started a topic here...
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Djangonator on January 22, 2007, 04:31:17 AM
Being able to spell should also be a prerequisite for posting here.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Moss. on January 22, 2007, 04:31:30 AM
This was posted yesterday?
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Irock on January 22, 2007, 04:31:55 AM
Well said. And thats a great idea, Djangonator.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Christina on January 23, 2007, 01:08:36 AM
yes, i think that people generally like to spam anywhere as a resort to being funny, but anyways, i think that the posts could be deleted, or the thread can move to general chat after a slow decline in intelligent debate-ness
Title: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: haloOfTheSun on January 24, 2007, 12:40:01 AM
Well, good. Now topics cannot be posted here (or at least they shouldn't be able to, I think Silver's taken care of that already).

Post topics in General Chat, and if it needs to, it will be moved here.
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: GilgameshRO on January 24, 2007, 12:43:54 AM
I like this idea.
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: haloOfTheSun on January 24, 2007, 12:45:27 AM
You should thank Zypher then. <3
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: :) on January 24, 2007, 12:45:51 AM
same, even tough I don't visit the intelligent database, I see some stupid topics/
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: landofshadows on January 24, 2007, 12:47:50 AM
Well how it was, Post could get moved out of Intelligent debate.

I guess its a promotion rather than a demotion, this new way... But is Gilgamesh still bale to move them from Intelligent debate back to General debate... I could see a Tennis like match happening...LOL

And what is considered intelligent by one person could be viewed as Morronic to another...

I guess with you and Silverline on the Job though and Gilgamesh look after the area it should be cool...

Boldness of the Apostles - is a bit on the Shite side... Only cuz I just posted in it though... If they are going Bald they should just wear hats... End of...LOL
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: Deliciously_Saucy on January 24, 2007, 02:14:00 AM
Good idea, AS LONG AS SOME OF YOU AREN'T BIASED TOWARDS ASS-HOLES! :police:
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: Nightwolf on January 24, 2007, 06:22:27 AM
I forgive you zypher, you gave a kool idea.!
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: Irock on January 24, 2007, 06:23:34 AM
This was a good decision.
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: Blizzard on January 25, 2007, 02:19:12 PM
Heh, I can still post topic's here. ;D

Well, good. Now topics cannot be posted here (or at least they shouldn't be able to, I think Silver's taken care of that already).

Post topics in General Chat, and if it needs to, it will be moved here.

<3
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: Jesus Hitler on January 25, 2007, 02:21:58 PM
This is awful. I want the right to post new threads in here, dammit!
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: Deliciously_Saucy on January 25, 2007, 02:56:31 PM
This is awful. I want the right to post new threads in here, dammit!
Second. I know you mods are petty and wouldn't move my post!
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: Ravenshade on January 25, 2007, 02:58:06 PM
that's quite true...however...someone like JH, will more often post rubbish...

It's an excellent idea. Well done Zypher
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: Deliciously_Saucy on January 25, 2007, 03:00:27 PM
that's quite true...however...someone like JH, will more often post rubbish...

It's an excellent idea. Well done Zypher
He has posted many good topics ( I think ) if not, he debates well.

The problem: Mods having to move bad post out of the intelligent debate section.

Solution: Post them some were else so the Mods can move them back in.

There is no difference in moving bad posts out or moving good ones in. It just SOUNDS like a solution.
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: Ravenshade on January 25, 2007, 03:01:59 PM
That's what they are doing...more or less.
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: ataraxy2 on January 25, 2007, 03:09:01 PM
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It just SOUNDS like a solution.

+rep, doesn't matter either way.
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: Roph on January 25, 2007, 03:38:39 PM
that's quite true...however...someone like JH, will more often post rubbish...

It's an excellent idea. Well done Zypher
He has posted many good topics ( I think ) if not, he debates well.

The problem: Mods having to move bad post out of the intelligent debate section.

Solution: Post them some were else so the Mods can move them back in.

There is no difference in moving bad posts out or moving good ones in. It just SOUNDS like a solution.

Pretty much agree, which is why I made the change with a "=/" face, and will probably reverse it after a while.
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: ataraxy2 on January 25, 2007, 03:42:17 PM
Either way there is gonna be stupid topics I suppose. It's just kind of like a meh change. And people probably won't intelligently discuss something in General Chat, which means no topics will be moved and Intelligent Debate will cease to be active.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: landofshadows on January 25, 2007, 03:55:39 PM
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Being able to spell should also be a prerequisite for posting here.

Just cuz you can't spell doesn't mean your opinions are not Vaild or that your not intelligent.

I agree people should check to if a thread has already been made though:-

http://rmrk.net/index.php/topic,10691.0.html (Made « on: January 02, 2007, 08:03:20 AM ») - By Angelic_Diablo

And this one:-

http://rmrk.net/index.php/topic,1719.0.html (Made « on: February 19, 2006, 07:25:49 PM ») - By Landofshadows

IDEA
How about this for an idea making the Intelligent Debate Forum a privallige, should people spam it up or use insults rather than debtaing you take the privillage away so they can't enter... Bit like the MOD forum, give us all acess and slowly Ban the people making it a shite hole.

Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: landofshadows on January 25, 2007, 03:57:20 PM
People should check if a topic has already been made...

http://rmrk.net/index.php/topic,10691.0.html (Made « on: January 02, 2007, 08:03:20 AM ») - By Angelic_Diablo

And this one:-

http://rmrk.net/index.php/topic,1719.0.html (Made « on: February 19, 2006, 07:25:49 PM ») - By Landofshadows

IDEA
How about this for an idea making the Intelligent Debate Forum a privallige, should people spam it up or use insults rather than debtaing you take the privillage away so they can't enter... Bit like the MOD forum, give us all acess and slowly Ban the people making it a shite hole.

(said the same in the preface topic... In away these two Stickies cover the same stuff...)
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Deliciously_Saucy on January 25, 2007, 03:57:55 PM
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IDEA
How about this for an idea making the Intelligent Debate Forum a privallige, should people spam it up or use insults rather than debtaing you take the privillage away so they can't enter... Bit like the MOD forum, give us all acess and slowly Ban the people making it a shite hole.
Better then what they're doing now, but sounds a little to complex.
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: Deliciously_Saucy on January 25, 2007, 03:59:31 PM
Quote
IDEA
How about this for an idea making the Intelligent Debate Forum a privallige, should people spam it up or use insults rather than debtaing you take the privillage away so they can't enter... Bit like the MOD forum, give us all acess and slowly Ban the people making it a shite hole.

(said the same in the preface topic... In away these two Stickies cover the same stuff...)
Stop making me clone post!!

It sounds better then what they're doing now, but it's a bit to complex to be feasible.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: landofshadows on January 25, 2007, 04:01:08 PM
Nah its Easy...

They make Intelligent debate only viewable if you have a certain field flagged for example Call it Brain Box (or BB)... Give every one BB status, and take it away should they start being an Ass...
Title: Re: Are you tired of stupid topics in Intelligent Debate?
Post by: landofshadows on January 25, 2007, 04:02:40 PM
I think they should Merge these two posts... They have gone and done some thing they are telling us not to do... Lead by example... Some one should Merge the two Topics...

And I have the same problem as you now... LOL Clone posting...

Quote
It sounds better then what they're doing now, but it's a bit to complex to be feasible.

Nah its Easy...

They make Intelligent debate only viewable if you have a certain field flagged for example Call it Brain Box (or BB)... Give every one BB status, and take it away should they start being an Ass...
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Deliciously_Saucy on January 25, 2007, 04:08:53 PM
Nah its Easy...

They make Intelligent debate only viewable if you have a certain field flagged for example Call it Brain Box (or BB)... Give every one BB status, and take it away should they start being an Ass...
If it is easy, then I do think it's a good idea.

"Warning. While you were posting 21 new replies have been made" lol! :lol:
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Tsunokiette on February 01, 2007, 01:24:26 AM
Baldness of the Apostles - is a bit on the Shite side... Only cuz I just posted in it though... If they are going Bald they should just wear hats... End of...LOL

LOL xD
Funny stuff. Once again, I was on a mentally induced high.

Also - I like the idea of a promotion rather than demotion system. Although the choices made could not be biased. For example, if a popular member makes a topic discussing whether blue or green is a better color, it should not be put into intelligent debate simply because they made it. Nor an intelligent debate  left in General chat because a lesser known member made it. Or intelligent debates being ignored because they hit touchy subjects.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Chaos of Destruction on February 08, 2007, 04:28:06 AM
Baldness of the Apostles - is a bit on the Shite side... Only cuz I just posted in it though... If they are going Bald they should just wear hats... End of...LOL

LOL xD
Funny stuff. Once again, I was on a mentally induced high.

Also - I like the idea of a promotion rather than demotion system. Although the choices made could not be biased. For example, if a popular member makes a topic discussing whether blue or green is a better color, it should not be put into intelligent debate simply because they made it. Nor an intelligent debate  left in General chat because a lesser known member made it. Or intelligent debates being ignored because they hit touchy subjects.

You're right. Stupid questions belong in the spam and will stay like that.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Holkeye on March 09, 2007, 01:15:54 AM
Without trying to offend anyone, I think its kind of funny that Zypher is the one that has to tell you not to post stupid shit in here. Not that he's ever spammed up a thread before. Also, making normal people unable to post new topics raises the fascism meter 10 points. I understand where you're coming from with having to delete stupid topics and such, but if someone legitimately wants to talk about something, they have no way to post it short of asking a mod to do it for them. But then again, I'm just a ranting idiot, so you should probably pay no mind to me. CONTINUE AS YOU WERE.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Roph on March 09, 2007, 01:38:12 AM
I'd forgotten all about that =o

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Pretty much agree, which is why I made the change with a "=/" face, and will probably reverse it after a while.

/while
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Blizzard on March 09, 2007, 10:40:02 AM
but if someone legitimately wants to talk about something, they have no way to post it short of asking a mod to do it for them.

You have the General Chat section. ::)
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Holkeye on March 09, 2007, 12:46:14 PM
You speak to me as if i am a lesser being than you, and my opinions on "intelligent debate" mean less than yours. Of course there is general chat, but that's like having meaningful conversation with a wallow of pigs: Nobody understands, and pretty soon, someone is going to throw a heap of garbage into the mix.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Blizzard on March 11, 2007, 04:05:22 PM
I want to talk about how cookies are made and I just post it in Intelligent Debate. You think this makes sense?! It's not on us to judge what is intelligent and what is not, but to decide if it belongs there or not. The problem is that somebody will post something that he might think it is intelligent, but it isn't. And it isn't called debate just for fun.

Of course there is general chat, but that's like having meaningful conversation with a wallow of pigs: Nobody understands, and pretty soon, someone is going to throw a heap of garbage into the mix.

Do you want to say, General Chat is more likely to be spammed up? I have been here long enough to know this isn't not true. Just look at the recent posts by Elegy in Intelligent Debate. =/
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Malson on March 11, 2007, 04:07:40 PM
The problem is the psychology behind the forum. When people see Intelligent Debate, they feel obliged to make a thread about religion or government or the same exact bullshit we always see just because they think it makes them look intelligent. THAT is what I hoped to put a stop to with my proposition.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Blizzard on March 11, 2007, 04:08:23 PM
And that, too. Yes, Zypher.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Arrow on March 11, 2007, 07:42:16 PM
Here's an idea:

If it's NOT ABOUT RELIGION, DON'T TALK ABOUT THE BIBLE.

If it's ABOUT SCIENCE, DON'T TRY TO DISPROVE IT WITH RELIGION.

One cannot effect the other anyway, as one cannot disprove the other, so bringing up either outside of a related topic in the form of an argument is inane, and furthermore, completely ignorant.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Darico on March 11, 2007, 07:45:15 PM
agreed.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Blizzard on March 12, 2007, 01:03:49 PM
Lol, looks like Silverline enabled posting in Intelligent Debate again, since people are posting new topics there which we, the mod, have to move again. =/
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Deliciously_Saucy on March 12, 2007, 01:12:59 PM
Stop complaining, you would of had to have moved them from general chat to here anyway, now your just moving them back. It's the same amount of work, it just seems like more because people stoped posting intelligent threads because of the tyranny of previously locking this section.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Malson on March 12, 2007, 02:47:35 PM
Stop complaining, you would of had to have moved them from general chat to here anyway, now your just moving them back. It's the same amount of work, it just seems like more because people stoped posting intelligent threads because of the tyranny of previously locking this section.

The problem is the psychology behind the forum. When people see Intelligent Debate, they feel obliged to make a thread about religion or government or the same exact bullshit we always see just because they think it makes them look intelligent. THAT is what I hoped to put a stop to with my proposition.

It's not the same amount of work =/
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Blizzard on March 12, 2007, 04:57:36 PM
The two topics I moved today won't become intelligent debate for sure. =/
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: biohazard on March 15, 2007, 07:32:23 PM
So how long is it until this will be moved to general chat?  I think me being here is the harbringer of the apocolypse.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Blizzard on March 15, 2007, 07:57:10 PM
It's stickied. ::)
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Arwym on March 16, 2007, 02:44:17 PM
What I notice is that some people here often post unintelligent answers to intelligent questions, and this ruins the feeling of finally having a place where to discuss serious topics in a mature manner. That's the only con I find to this section.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: biohazard on March 16, 2007, 02:49:20 PM
I beleive she is referring to me.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Arwym on March 16, 2007, 02:54:16 PM
I beleive she is referring to me.

Excuse me? I don't have the need to refer to someone indirectly. That is hypocrisy, and have always been against it.
I speak in general, to anyone who posts in Intelligent Debate just for the fun of it, or has nothing to contribute to the discussion of the topic.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: biohazard on March 16, 2007, 02:59:31 PM
I beleive she is now defining me.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Arwym on March 16, 2007, 03:07:17 PM
If that is what you wish to believe, then go ahead.
I already offered an honest explanation. If you apply that definition to yourself, that is your problem.

And with that, I am done with the argument.
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Blizzard on March 16, 2007, 03:33:53 PM
Bio is just being an idiot. Ignore him. ::)
Title: Re: A Preface On Intelligent Debate
Post by: Moss. on May 31, 2007, 02:44:21 AM
Internet: Serious Business.