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Edit: *Note* - Tsuno's theory is a few posts down; and a discussion concerning free will and stuff are also a few posts away.



*Based on sequential logic.
*Short version of the theory; too lazy.
*IMPORTANT*: This theory has no actual values more than just giving you something potentially interesting to read. If the content seems to be disturbing in any way for some reason; there is no need for such feel for it affects nothing.

This is a theory regarding the existence of time I began working on in High School, but after I showed a semi-finished product to a teacher, he told me he had seen something similar many times. I was rather discouraged, and gave up on developing the ideology. However now that I realize that it is rather impossible to create something completely original now days, I dug this up again and decided to simply show it for a discussion for the bored.

That, and the fact that I'm in a 2-hours comp science lecture (the most boring piece of )*@$ ever) helps too (thank god for on-campus wireless network).


Before I start, the thesis of this theory is that our existence has eternally been in this single frame of time; and that moving through time is a mere illusion as the I in the past is not the I at this point in time.

The theory will have to be built upon some dimensional fundamentals, so there'll be a rather boring intro, mm'kay?
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Here we go.


First of all; the first dimension is a single line, in which a point can be located by the expression (x).


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The second dimension is a flat surface, in which a point can be located by the expression (x,y); [width and height].
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But however, this 2D flat surface can also be seen as an infinite stack of lines; which is the first (and its previous) dimension. And in order for such thing to exist, all lines (its previous dimension) have to co-exist simultaneously.


The third dimension can be represented by a cube, in which a point upon it can be located by the expression (x,y,z); [width, height and depth].
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But however, this 3D cube can also be seen as an infinite stack of flat surfaces (think of a stack of paper); which is the second (and its previous) dimension. But in order for such thing to exist, all flat surfaces (its previous dimension) have to co-exist simultaneously.


Finally, the fourth dimension; time. We think of ourselves as moving through time, with every second that passes. This can be noobishly illustrated by the following diagram:
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-Where the solid circle representing one single frame in time. According to the pattern demonstrated by the previous dimensions, the solid circle (now) would be a motionless frame of the third dimension (which does make sense).


However, if we look back at the previous dimensions;
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-The stacks of their previous dimension that makes up their entity co-exist simultaneously. If only one line existed at the same time in a flat surface, it would not be a flat surface but a single line. If only one flat surface existed at the same time in a cube, it would not be a cube but a single flat surface.

So now, looking back at our previously stated fourth dimension of us moving through time as time progresses; is sequential logically speaking, not the actual case. 
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And instead, following the pattern demonstrated by the previous dimensions, every single piece of the 4th dimension's previous dimension (3rd, and motionless frames in time), actually all co-exists at the same time.
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But what would this mean; that every single frame of time exists simultaneously? In every single frame, there would be a world where everything is that of future or past relative to us; and we are merely one single frame.

Hence, theoretically speaking, this defeats the idea of a single "now", unless stated relative to one single frame. This would make every single instance a 'now', since none is perished or 'to-come'.

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What this would also mean would be that there is no such thing as 'motion' in time. Moving through time as we like to describe, is merely an illusion triggered by the ever-lasting memory of the previous frames in time that we are aware of.

Sit back for a moment and think of this moment in time. Do you feel you have any non-illusionary connection with your past? Even if just one second ago, all you can do is simply remember it. If you cut yourself with a knife a moment ago, you may still have the wound; but the causing of the wound itself was not caused by the 'you' in this frame of time.

All you can truly feel, is simply this single frame of time; the "now" relative to us is forever this single moment in time despite that we feel that we have a future and a past. Sure, they exist, but we have not come from our past and nor are we going to the future.

And not surprisingly, the previous theory demonstrates the lack of motion and the simultaneous existence of all frames of time would also imply this:
The frame of time we are in at this moment is not in motion; hence we, the subjects in the said frame, have not moved as well. We have been in this frame of motion from the moment it existed, and have been stuck in this single frame of time for eternity.

But we do not feel it, because we will always have the illusion of motion from our memories.


However, this is a theory that is loosely based on many flawed aspects. And even true, it would mean nothing more than a grain of sand. We still live as we felt as before, and we continue to have the feeling that we are actually moving through time.

In such cases, the appearance of something completely overshadows the non-existent importance of what could be true.


And in conclusion; this is simply something to think and chuckle about.


-Kan G. / Reives

I see what you are saying, it is simple, yet it (possibly) explains one of the most complex concepts we know of. Don't think of it as being so...Unneccesary. If you could prove this theory, it would be the building block for further study into time, and possibly, the illusion of time TRAVEL. Now wouldn't THAT be something?! ;D

Time travel is impossible. I'll explain why in a bit.

@Reives - Interesting idea, I myself came up with a theory for this not too long ago. I recommend you research "Ground Zero" (I'm not refering to 9/11 or WTC BTW.) as it will help you to further your theory.

@arrowone - I didn't read all of what was posted but got a general idea of what it was saying, my theory was similar, only it involved time bubbles.

And my definition of dimentions was -

1st - Universe
2nd - Ground Zero
3rd - Heaven
4th - Hell
5th - Where they all cross

Construction of a time bubble - (as interpreted by me)

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My theory stated that we live in a time bubble.

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A few definitions (once again as defined by me) -

Ground Zero - Contains all that has been or could have been, also known as the realm of possibility.

Type 0 - Destroys all matter comming out of the "Now", and only allows that which will not disrupt the space-time-continuim(sp?) in.
Type 1 - Only allows that which has been in the "Now" to exit, and transforms the possibility into matter when going into the "Now".

Anti_Matter = Matter that was in the "Now", passed through Type 0, and somehow got back through and remains in the 5th dimension. (forgot to label it, it's in between Type 0 and 1)
Anti_Atoms = Atoms that make up anti matter and interact with Pro_Atoms (or atoms in the "Now")

Our concience spans throught the future, present, and past. Matter is created and destroyed at the same time, and our free will exists in Ground Zero, making our minds to hard to recreate.

Time travel is impossible simply because if we managed to "force time" (deja vu and anti-matter are evidences of "forced time") and shove through the barrier which keeps us in, it would be impossible to continue, we would be destroyed since Ground_Zero is both everything yet nothing, since entering it would be the only way to travel time.

If time travel were possible, don't you think we'd be seeing people from the future now?  :-\

No, I mean the ILLUSION of time travel. If our memories PERSONALLY give us the illusion of time, then they could also (thoretically) give the illusion of time TRAVEL.

So... you're talking about playing pretend? LOL  ;)

In a sense, yes. If we are tricked into thinking (by whatever means) that we are moving through time...then why can't we do it backwards?

Tsun:
Interesting theory as well; though I'll have to read it again tomorrow when my mind's not as sleepy as now, then respond to it~

Quote from: arrowoneIn a sense, yes. If we are tricked into thinking (by whatever means) that we are moving through time...then why can't we do it backwards?

Actually I do have similar thoughts.

For example, theoratically if we lift a 2 dimensional 'being' in an upward matter, it would not be able to interpret what happened for it has no sense of depth, if it can interpret it as anything at all. If all we are is one single frame with the memories that illusionates the sense of motion, then whatever happens we will still feel the same thing, given whatever 'direction' we 'move' in. Although, in that sense, there aren't any actual 'movements' at all.

Our definition of things are limited to what we can interpret; and things such as this is beyond what we can interpret. Even if something that can be related to 'time travel' exists; no matter how hard we think of such things, its essential structure is simply beyond our's realm of thoughts. Which is also why this is more of a interest-based thing than something actually valuable.

Exactly, I'm glad that we can understand eachother! It's a really strange thought, you know? It's like every moment of our lives are a piece of an animation, totally useless by itself.

By this logic, aren't we then without free will? And even if we COULD trick ourselves into believing we traveled through time...would it matter? Could we change anything at all?

Edit: *Warning* Content below (regarding free will mainly) might be disturbing to some.
Edit: *Reminder* The topic is purely hallow and serves no purpose in terms of reality other than food for thought; so don't go nuts. :P

If this train of thoughts is followed; then no, we do not have free will. Because if this is so, there will be no such things to be 'decided'; for what is ahead already exists.

Personally speaking, I do not actually believe in free will, however. Our behaviours are caused by the brain, which is a physical matter. It receives inputs and sends out outputs based on the inputs.

And before we go any further:
If we hold a pencil and let it fall, the direction it will point at after it falls seem completely random to us; we do not know where it's going to fall. But however, that does not mean that it might fall to face any direction at 'random'. Its motion will be limited by the attributes around it: gravity, wind circulation, and all that. And every single one of these circumstances at that point in time adds up to determine the one direction that it is going to point at after it stops rolling.

If we 'scroll' the time back and watch it happen again given the same circumstances, it will happen the same way again; because physical matters' behaviours are helplessly influenced by everything that affects them.


Now back to the brain. The brain itself, no matter how complex, is a physical matter. The nerves, blood vessels and other functioning tissues and parts; they are all affected by everything that affects them. And like programming from the 01000110001 binary codes; everything lapses together to create something such complex.

But the 'primary data' is none the less helplessly influenced by the other matters. And at every moment, it just so happens that whatever circumstances adds up to affect it in that exact way. And its output, like any other physical matters; would be simply 'calculated'.

In that manner of speaking; I guess you can say everything was determined the moment that everything existed. Perhaps if someone has limitless calculation abilities and the knowledge of every single thing happening in the entire world; everything is predictable.


Edit: But anyhow, it doesn't matter whether free will exists. All it matters is that we feel that we have the ability to choose. Knowledge might be power, but ignorance is happiness. And you wouldn't even know if this world is fake right now.  ;)


This is getting a bit disturbing though, heh.

Again, that's exactly what I mean. Everyone says math is the basis of everything you do in life, but the irony of the situation is that the don't know the power of that statement. They think on a daily level, like your job or your grocery bill. They do not stop to consider that there entire lifetime is as you said, "precalculated."

Now consider this:

We've been discussing science. According to the rules of science, Religion is not something you can disprove, because it is based on faith and is therfore, not a science.

HOWEVER

By this logic, everything is predetermined, and we have no freewill. One could not change their actions in order to get taken into heaven or sent to hell, or anywhere in between. This brings us to my question:

Do you believe your theory MIGHT cancel out the possibility of there being any validity to any religion?

Quote from: arrowone on September 27, 2006, 04:15:52 AM
\If you could prove this theory,

I think it's pretty much impossible to 'prove' these kind of theories as it is to prove a negative. I based it off in sequential logic upon the commonly accepted theories today, which logically makes sense; so I guess it's fairly close to what's possible in terms of 'proving' (which is still far from actually proving it).

Hmmm...I thought about it again, and when you take into consideration that God is supposedly the Creator, and knowss how everything works, plus he has total control...he could change any variable to his will.

That being said, making games is, as far as I can tell from all of this, LITERALLY playing God!

Obviously on a much smaller scale, and much more simplified, but it's pretty much the same concept.

Quote from: arrowone on September 27, 2006, 05:52:28 AM
Again, that's exactly what I mean. Everyone says math is the basis of everything you do in life, but the irony of the situation is that the don't know the power of that statement. They think on a daily level, like your job or your grocery bill. They do not stop to consider that there entire lifetime is as you said, "precalculated."

Now consider this:

We've been discussing science. According to the rules of science, Religion is not something you can disprove, because it is based on faith and is therfore, not a science.

HOWEVER

By this logic, everything is predetermined, and we have no freewill. One could not change their actions in order to get taken into heaven or sent to hell, or anywhere in between. This brings us to my question:

Do you believe your theory MIGHT cancel out the possibility of there being any validity to any religion?

I understand what you are saying.

But the thing is that religions, like you said, is based on faith; something non-factual (not necesarily in a negative sense). This makes it invulunerable to anything at all, because it's formless like air.

Even if a theory makes perfect sense in every way scientifically, it would mean squat to those who are religious.

You could easily be a teacher. I enjoy your work! Do you have any other theories to share?

Very intresting... I like these theories, they are very mind provoking...

btw I always learned that a fact is somthing that can be proven or disproven
there are only facts or opinions

Quote from: arrowone on September 27, 2006, 05:59:27 AM
Hmmm...I thought about it again, and when you take into consideration that God is supposedly the Creator, and knowss how everything works, plus he has total control...he could change any variable to his will.

That being said, making games is, as far as I can tell from all of this, LITERALLY playing God!

Obviously on a much smaller scale, and much more simplified, but it's pretty much the same concept.

Exactly.  :) 

I actually had a theory for the relative creation which compares us with 'god' in everything we do; but that's from years back and I can't really remember it clearly now...


Anyhow, I gotta log off for the night for now; it's 2:04 and I got class tomorrow. :/

Good discussion, maybe we can continue it tomorrow~

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And heh, a teacher probably doesn't suit me. These things are purely ideological, and even if I were able to fill little kids' minds with absurd ideologies of such things as 'zomg  you don't literally have a future' or 'zomg everything isn't real', the parents'd beat the crap outta me.

I do have some other theories, all from a while back though. Most are hazy since I've given up thinking of these for a while now; but I can probably dig some up in time. Thanks for your interest in the matter!~ :)

@ Atomic: Yes, this is true. Opinion can in some circumstances be turned into theory, however, and then into fact if proven as such. Because Science is a constant dance of approval and disproval, however, we cannot know for sure what is fact and what is not until someone "pretends" they have seen the end of time...

@Reives: Sweet. Awesome that I have someone this smart to talk to. Sleep well, dude.

time travel is possible, we are doing it as we speak

Please tell me you didn't read the entire theory...

who did?!?
i was getting a friggin headache lol, just saying reading the smaller posts.

I skimmed a little bit over it and want to add something: The 5th dimension density. :nerd:

As you know a higher dimension is able to "compress" lower dimension, so density would be able to compress time. Every of the time frames you mentioned would be existing at the same moment. Therefore you just stay at one frame you like and decompress the time. You will find yourself in the future/past. Time travel is possible this way (forward AND backward), but who can compress time?! The only thing humans succeeded with was space compression (only 3 dimensions, unsing the 4th, since time is the 4th). Space compression is not existant in one of the time frames, but in the next it is, so we used time to compress space.

I never thought of the fifth dimension thing, that's pretty cool. Well I guess the bottom line is that it is not possible for one dimension to manipulate and truly visualize higher dimensions.

Could you elaborate on how humans managed to compress space with time by the way, Bliz~?

Density...I didn't think of that either!

STUPID QUESTION:

Are there higher dimensions that we know of beyond the fifth?

Yes. But it's "know" with the quotation marks.

But of course, it's science!

"Knowing" is the best way of knowing things.

HAY GUESS WHAT

There is no such thing as time. We made that shit up.

Yes plx.

I think of it less as a tangible object than a way of measuring things/a comfort device.

Sorry about the delay Tsun~  :P

Quote from: Tsunokiette on September 27, 2006, 04:33:10 AM
Time travel is impossible. I'll explain why in a bit.

@Reives - Interesting idea, I myself came up with a theory for this not too long ago. I recommend you research "Ground Zero" (I'm not refering to 9/11 or WTC BTW.) as it will help you to further your theory.

@arrowone - I didn't read all of what was posted but got a general idea of what it was saying, my theory was similar, only it involved time bubbles.

And my definition of dimentions was -

1st - Universe
2nd - Ground Zero
3rd - Heaven
4th - Hell
5th - Where they all cross

Construction of a time bubble - (as interpreted by me)

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My theory stated that we live in a time bubble.

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A few definitions (once again as defined by me) -

Ground Zero - Contains all that has been or could have been, also known as the realm of possibility.

Type 0 - Destroys all matter comming out of the "Now", and only allows that which will not disrupt the space-time-continuim(sp?) in.
Type 1 - Only allows that which has been in the "Now" to exit, and transforms the possibility into matter when going into the "Now".

Anti_Matter = Matter that was in the "Now", passed through Type 0, and somehow got back through and remains in the 5th dimension. (forgot to label it, it's in between Type 0 and 1)
Anti_Atoms = Atoms that make up anti matter and interact with Pro_Atoms (or atoms in the "Now")

Our concience spans throught the future, present, and past. Matter is created and destroyed at the same time, and our free will exists in Ground Zero, making our minds to hard to recreate.

Time travel is impossible simply because if we managed to "force time" (deja vu and something else *I forgot, threw the paper away a while ago* are evidences of "forced time") and shove through the barrier which keeps us in, it would be impossible to continue, we would be destroyed since Ground_Zero is both everything yet nothing, since entering it would be the only way to travel time.

This is more interesting than my theory in my opinion; the existence and interaction of the 'layers' are triggers some well rounded train of thought.

But it seems like an theory based on personal interpretations, which struck me as coming out of the blue (not necesarily bad; t'is more creative in that sense).

Also there are a few parts that puzzled me, such as "Anti_Matter = Matter that was in the "Now", passed through Type 0, and somehow got back through and remains in the 5th dimension." -Anything can do something 'somehow'; it just feels unexplained.

But again, all our theories are just theories; there's no such thing as perfection especially regarding to these types of subjects.

Overall I enjoyed reading your idea, was quite interesting and left me thinking~  :)

Edit: I edited the first post, indicating your theory's post.

Thanks.

BTW: Refering to your post about "those with religion" not giving squat about theories like this -

I'm a christian. (just wanted to point it out)
And you can't "know" anything. You can theorize, but you can't "know" it. Therefore science is as much based on faith as relgion. Saying you know something for a fact, is the same as making a universal statement.

The reason my theory is like it is, is because I believe God is omnipresent, omnicient, and *forgot last word, it means all powerfull) and is a spiritual being. Notice how I said matter is destroyed, I never said the spiritual self is destroyed. I believe God works in a manner like this and is the only one able to "force time".

Heheh, well I guess I'meant those who strictly abides religious beliefs to the extent of finding anything science related abysmal.

And I agree with the non-existence of true 'knowing' part. But although science would be based on something that is not the absolute truth just like religion, it still follows materialized 'evidence'. Although this, like anything for that matter, is not necesarily that of absolute truth, it is still more (even if illusionally) supported to the relative shallowness of human apprehension.

I have nothing against religions for that matter, by the way. I'm rather neutral to all ideologies. I remember coming up with something concerning the positive existence of God a few years ago... forgot the details though :/

Oh and that third world meaning all-powerful is 'Omnipotent'.

I love this topic.

Freedom freedom freedom OI!

You can't beat Zoidberg.

I'm gonna show this topic to my teacher tommorrow, I think he would get a kick out of it! 's that okay with you Reives?

Actually I wanted to say humans can do that, I wanted to say it´s not possible to be at the same position in space in the same frame of time.

Arrowone:
Sure, if you want.

Blizzard:
By 'to be at the same position in space in the same frame of time', what are you comparing to? As in at the same position in one frame of time and another?

I didn't read the entire thread and am not going to, so I apologize if this point has already been made. But I found a flaw in your logic.

Quote from: Reives on September 26, 2006, 05:16:07 PM
If only one line existed at the same time in a flat surface, it would not be a flat surface but a single line. If only one flat surface existed at the same time in a cube, it would not be a cube but a single flat surface.

You mention that all the lines exist at the same time. You mention that all the flat surfaces exist at the same time. Therefore, by your theory, all times exist...at the same time. Moreover, that makes all dimensions exist within themselves. All flat surfaces will exist at the same flat surfaces, and all straight lines will exist at the same straight line. We know this to be untrue, so your "time exists within itself" theory cancels itself out.

Quote from: Zypher on September 29, 2006, 01:42:59 AM
Therefore, by your theory, all times exist...at the same time.

Uh, sorry but that was kind of the whole point of the theory.   :P Except you did not put quotation marks around 'the same time'. By 'at the same time'; I simply meant as in a structure of the whole, like a film roll with all the frames embedded in it. Hence, it does not mean relatively to time itself as you most likely though; sorry for the unclarity I guess.

Quote from: Zypher on September 29, 2006, 01:42:59 AM
Moreover, that makes all dimensions exist within themselves. All flat surfaces will exist at the same flat surfaces, and all straight lines will exist at the same straight line. We know this to be untrue, so your "time exists within itself" theory cancels itself out.

I don't really understand your point and their source here, now. All flat surfaces will exist 'at' the same flat surfaces?

If what was misunderstood was the 'time exists at the same time' part; note that I put 'the same time' in quotations or italics to emphasize the non-literate proportion of its definition being used. So again by at the same time; it is rather simultaneously to the degree of beyond our exact vocabulary, as it would be when comparing the third dimension with the fourth and as such.

Also, I'm not sure if this still applies to your point, but lower dimensions does exist within its higher dimensions. The graphic displayed upon the monitor or shadows might be seen as examples of that. :)

Although I'm guessing that your entire post was based on the misinterpretation of the 'same time' ideology, "We know this to be untrue" is rather contradictory to the point of such theories; which are there to bring new ideas into what was the commoner's thought. Hundreds of years ago, we 'knew' Earth was flat; and that's still at a non-extensive level. So I personally believe reality is anything we make it out to be.

How have I only just read this thread.

I'm not too certain of my own ideas, I beleive time travel to be impossible though, on the grounds of basically - how the heck would you initiate a jump in time? Though that makes me wonder if maybe it actually is possible, but we just don't have the means necessary to do it.

As for free will, the idea is understandable, though hard to comprehend. I'm sure nobody is going to like the idea that everything they're ever going to do is already predefined, and your choice is essentially just an illusion.

Both the ideas are sort of related, in that, if your future is predefined, and you were to go back in time and change things, well.. what. life would BSOD.

Quote from: Reives on September 29, 2006, 12:24:13 AM
Arrowone:
Sure, if you want.

Blizzard:
By 'to be at the same position in space in the same frame of time', what are you comparing to? As in at the same position in one frame of time and another?

I mean you can´t be at two places in the same time frame. You can be at one position in one and at another in another frame, but you can´t be at two positions in one frame. In other words we need some time to travel from one place to another. To travel through time we first need to find out how to teleport.

@Silvy: Lol, BSOD! xD

By the way, this whole concept is just asking for an RPG to be made out of it.

Where do you think I´ve got some of my ideas?! They are planned for Chaos Project. The Chaos Project is actually [WARNING! SPOILER AHEAD!] a project where the bad guys in my game are trying to use the Chaos MAchine to merge all the 2³² parallel universes into one. That way all existence wouldn´t be annihilated, but it would experience a fate even worse. Imagine existing in a universe constisting out of so many universes at the same time in the same place. >.<

I meant Reive's theory specifically.

I know, but I meant that´s how I got the idea for my game. I sometimes sit just there and get these crazy ideas. Some of them are pretty useful and interesting and so some of them I use for my games.

Meh, I doubt most people would enjoy a game based on something like this though  :P (This, not Blizz's)

And Blizz: Oh okay, I see what you mean.

*What does BSOD mean? :/


P.S. Anyone else find it f'ed up that there's already mid-terms after just a month of university/college? . . .

Blue Screen Of Death, I presume.

You presume right. [dumbness]Or could it mean Battle System of Dogma?![/dumbness]

So, your theory on time is... ( i'll use a simple example) that the 4th deminsion is like a flip book of the 3rd deminsion. Each page is a frame of the universe, they all exist with each other, but the others can not be seen. But that's the  3 D. we live now, but 4 D. allows us to be conscience of the other pages of life.

I also began a theory that time is actually a type of energy, like fire or light, and not a force like gravity. Another thing, what is gravity. Scientist truelly don't know what creates gravity, but just now that it exists and humans live by it.
I also have other of countless theories, one of a possibily of time travel. The problem of not seeing people from the futrue here in the past is...
The time machine has to record the calculated data of our existance from one point in the future to the remainig future. That would be the only places to time travel through.
The free will bit is really intruiging. (Excuse me for my spelling, I'm real fatigued and in the Army, stress levels are high)
Well, I don't mean bit, but the topic itself is real intresting. Also a couple of friends of mine said that God (him or her self) created science so that humans wouldn't go insane, but left out enough so that we wouldn't be able to discover things untill God wanted humans too.

I just thought of this, what if time and gravity were one. That they are acually the same thing. Time and gravity are a type of energy and that each thing in the universe has their own type of time, wich would explain why earth has a certain type of gravity than other planets. When astronauts leave earth and go to space, they become younger when they return back on earth. One instance was that an astronaut had a twin brother who was younger than him by three seconds, and since he has gone to space so many times that he became younger than his younger twin. Which also "proves" the twin theory when someone travels the speed of light and returns back on earth that what felt to them a single minute was actually a century on earth. Sorry, but I'm rambling on and posting my thoughts. This would mean that when leaving earth, space itself (the empty spots) time radiates there but not as much it would normaly would on the surface. The time differnece would be nanoseconds, because the energy that radiates from our solar system means combines to make a certain type of rythme of energy.  This energy also compreses space to make our reality of the 3rd demension we live in. By gravity it pushes on the time frames, thus making us believe that we are moving through time, this energy also give earth its shape. But since we can't really land on another plant in a different system, this theory is yet to be proved.
Another words, the farther away from the solar system, time fades away to non existance untill the next system radiates it's time.
This may sound like nonsense and rubish, but most of ya'll are opened minded and seem to listen to what people have to say and think about it.

Wrong, we live in 5D. You forget density as the fifth dimension. Think about it. Compressing time with density would allow time travel... blah blah blah... *points to earlier post*

I'm new here, at first I only came here looking up information on RMXP scripting... anyway. This here is a collection of my own thoughts based on other's theories, earlier in the post I read that someone asked if anyone knew of any higher level dimensions, so I had a good think about it and now I have come up with...

Obviously the first three 'primary' conventional dimensions:

1st Dimension: Length.
2nd Dimension: Breadth.
3rd Dimension: Depth.

And the secondary dimensions:

4th Dimension: Time.
5th Dimension: Density.
6th Dimension: Reality.

Obviously the workings of the universe and meta-physics are known to be powered by:

1. Dimensions.
2. Meta-physical variables.
3. Matter / Anti-Matter.

I can't believe no one has thought up the dimension of reality yet. The current reality we exist in is down to the outcome of all known predetermined variables of the universe, for every single possible outcome for these variables there is an alternate reality. This may need some more in-depth explanation from others as the workings of such meta-physics is way beyond my understanding.

I tend to agree with:

Reives stating that the illusion of motion in time theory is a single 'frame/bubble' of 'meta-physical animation' in the space/time/reality continuum.

Simply put: The current reality we live in is just the outcome of predetermined meta-physical variables and the illusion of motion/free-will we experience is constructed from our memories and the choices we make.

Evidence to back this up:

Think about the way conditional branch events are constructed in RPG Maker, the individual sequence of events in each branch already exist, although the right conditions must be met in order for them to be carried out. If you ask me this makes sense.

Tsunokiette's Time Bubble theory.

Simply put: Anti-matter/anti-atoms (same thing? since matter is a particular arrangement and manifestation of atoms and molecules) go into action when we move a physical material object between time frames/bubbles.

Evidence to back this up:

If you have used a 3D BSP level editor for an FPS game such as Unreal Tournament, think about how additive, subtractive and mover brushes are used, additive brushes act as matter, and subtractive brushes act as anti-matter, and mover brushes are additive brushes that act between individual 'frames'. If you ask me this makes sense.

In both of these cases, you are literally playing God, as someone else previously stated, can't remember who it was.

As light, sound and gravity are 'special' meta-physical forces that have their own velocity at which they affect the universe, did anyone ever think that time and reality might have their own 'velocity'?

When the speed of gravity is countered against, we experience zero-gravity which makes some go green in the gills and we all know that the force of gravity is determined by the size of the planet.

The speed of sound is evident in thunderstorms as the lighting flash and the rumble of thunder are most of the time unmatched and insequential and is sometimes also evident when fighter jets pass overhead.

As the speed of light has not been broken yet, so no one is aware of any meta-physical anomolies that may be experienced while travelling faster than the speed of light.

This topic is not only an interesting one, but a difficult one to discuss at that which could do with a little more in depth discussion.

Some questions that still bother me:

Is time-travel possible? - It may well be, considering that in RPG Maker you can jump to named labels, meaning we may only be able to travel back to predetermined points, also loops/parallel processes/auto-starts repeat themselves indefinitely until conditions are met.

What lies beyond the boundaries of the Universe?
What exists beyond realities?
What kind of realities may exist? There may be higher level realites, lower level realities, opposed and mirrored realities. - Even manifestations of our own memories during our time on Earth (our personal heavens and hells?).

Just remember that everything in our universe has postivies and negatives.

That's easily the longest first post anyone's ever made. And it's not a stupid post either. Congrats.

Hell yeah it's not everyday a newcomer to a forum makes an intelligent post like that. It's just me I like intelligent discussions.:D

Not neccesary stupid, but not very well explained. Of course, it's a nice idea to see that analogical counterpart in RPG Maker for the different functions of the dimensions, but I think you define the dimension reality wrong. As it is fact, the 3 spacial dimensions, the 4th time and the 5th density are linear, reality itself can't be ONLY 1 dimension as it seems to be hyper-exponential or even a limit of n where n is infinite. Every possibility will create uncountable new realities, which is not neccesary absurd, but proves that REALITY cannot be only one dimension. It may be a complex of dimensions or maybe something completely different at all. It's hard to tell.

Also anti-matter is limited in the 3 dimensions. It was already possible to create "hybrid" (even though accidently, lol) matter, consisting out of matter and anti-matter. i.e. the hybrid of proton and pozitron they called protonium. It was existant even a few microseconds, which is actually a lot at this situation. It is assumed that when the "big bang" happened, matter and anti-matter were consistant in the same quantity, but the scientist have no idea why they didn't destroy each other or why anti-matter as good as disappeared from this (?) universe.