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RMRK General => General Chat => Topic started by: Atomic on September 23, 2006, 01:36:36 AM

Title: QWERTY
Post by: Atomic on September 23, 2006, 01:36:36 AM
Ok did you guys know that the keyboard layout used to today is actually inefficent.... it was ment for typewriters for a reason. Basicly what happens is the most used letters

   frequently used pairs of letters are seperated to keep the typebar from jamming
somehow this setup carried over to computers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Malson on September 23, 2006, 01:44:33 AM
Yep. I knew about this a while ago. That's why a lot of people (read: supergeeks) have switched over to Dvorak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Dalton on September 23, 2006, 04:07:18 AM
Personally, I believe in the power of Qwerty, cause like... I'm so totally used to it, and losing my 70 wpm to switch to a new style of keyboard would seem like a huge sacrafice to me
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Nightwolf on September 23, 2006, 04:33:45 AM
YAY! DT IS BACK!
And i think we all use Qwerty...
its not soo bad?
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Arrow on September 23, 2006, 04:38:17 AM
I agree with DT, I don't type correctly (chicken type I think) and it seems to work out ok.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Atomic on September 23, 2006, 02:57:30 PM
I still use it also... but just think in 30 years people are going to be laughing about our primitive keyboards

It just seems that a quick fix for a problem has followed us to where it's not a fix anymore
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: SexualBubblegumX on September 23, 2006, 03:02:01 PM
I used to go to a porn site called qwerty.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Yossy on September 23, 2006, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: FuMannChu on September 23, 2006, 03:02:01 PM
I used to go to a porn site called qwerty.

That's nice, dear.  *pets him on the head*
Title: ____
Post by: SexualBubblegumX on September 23, 2006, 04:21:02 PM
May I have a cookie too?
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: GilgameshRO on September 23, 2006, 09:31:35 PM
It's taken me this long to master a QWERTY. While Dvorak is appealing, I'm way too lazy to learn a different setup.
Title: Re: ____
Post by: Yossy on September 24, 2006, 12:24:13 AM
Quote from: FuMannChu on September 23, 2006, 04:21:02 PM
May I have a cookie too?
No.


Anyway, I personally love my Qwerty keyboard.

Wasn't there a character in Perfect Dark named Dr. Dvorak or something?  The mission objectives made you think you were rescuing a scientist guy, but it turned out to be a floating computer...
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: SexualBubblegumX on September 24, 2006, 01:43:41 AM
What about a soda?
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Nightwolf on September 24, 2006, 03:13:03 AM
You know you're just spamming it up lol.
I've liked mastered my keyboard, i can type eye-closed
(literally)
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Yossy on September 24, 2006, 06:30:05 PM
I can tupe without lookins at the computer or keyboard.  I;m doinf it rifht noe.

Okay, that didn't work out as well as I wanted it to.  Not too bad, though.




Quote from: FuMannChu on September 24, 2006, 01:43:41 AM
What about a soda?
No.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Malson on September 25, 2006, 01:16:52 AM
I'd give you some spam, but it looks like you've had enough for one thread.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Atomic on September 25, 2006, 05:29:26 AM
Quote from: GilgameshRO on September 23, 2006, 09:31:35 PM
It's taken me this long to master a QWERTY. While Dvorak is appealing, I'm way too lazy to learn a different setup.
Indead I am also too lazy to learn a new setup. I just thought the computing section could use some activity.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Blizzard on September 25, 2006, 10:28:30 AM
I have QWERTZ. =P
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Arrow on September 27, 2006, 05:41:15 AM
That is a fucked up keyboard, yo. What did you do, melt it?
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Blizzard on September 27, 2006, 12:02:56 PM
Lol, no. German/Croatish keyboards are QWERTZ instead of QWERTY. Actually every language has a slightly different keyboard. Look, what I have here as a normal key: ß (that´s a german letter)
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Tsunokiette on September 27, 2006, 08:36:01 PM
I would switch, but I learned how to type with this keyboard, and I don't see any major companies switching.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Malson on September 28, 2006, 01:14:58 AM
And his apostrophes look like this `
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Dalton on September 28, 2006, 02:45:14 AM
Quote from: Zypher on September 28, 2006, 01:14:58 AM
And his apostrophes look like this `

He does that on purpose to be special, but Blizzard probably has the normal apostraphe key somewhere too.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Crankeye on September 28, 2006, 03:48:52 AM
*cough* Ahem.. well to get back on subject, it does seems like a nice layout, but what about a layout for l33t speak. Maybe they should just replace the e key with a 3 etc. etc.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Arrow on September 28, 2006, 04:02:27 AM
There's probably an overlay for that...
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Tsunokiette on September 28, 2006, 04:03:08 AM
That's would be awesome, the |337 |4'/0(_)7
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Nightwolf on September 28, 2006, 04:19:29 AM
what that mean?
the second one,
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Arrow on September 28, 2006, 04:24:16 AM
Leet Layout
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Blizzard on September 28, 2006, 03:51:11 PM
Quote from: DeathTrooper on September 28, 2006, 02:45:14 AM
Quote from: Zypher on September 28, 2006, 01:14:58 AM
And his apostrophes look like this `

He does that on purpose to be special, but Blizzard probably has the normal apostraphe key somewhere too.

Of course I do. SHIFT + # = '

=P
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Maglor on October 03, 2006, 07:10:39 PM
Lol, am i the only one that uses an AZERTY keyboard?
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Malson on October 04, 2006, 12:25:20 AM
Probably.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Maglor on October 04, 2006, 11:32:43 AM
AZERTY is way cooler! Only counterstrike doesn't support AZERTY, so when i want to type ',' it displays 'm' and so on...
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Blizzard on October 04, 2006, 01:15:44 PM
Quote from: Maglor on October 03, 2006, 07:10:39 PM
Lol, am i the only one that uses an AZERTY keyboard?

How about DVORAK? ::)
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Malson on October 05, 2006, 12:37:12 AM
Quote from: Blizzard on October 04, 2006, 01:15:44 PM
Quote from: Maglor on October 03, 2006, 07:10:39 PM
Lol, am i the only one that uses an AZERTY keyboard?

How about DVORAK? ::)

I tried out a Dvorak keyboard. Man, did that feel weird.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Yossy on October 06, 2006, 12:17:22 PM
Have you ever seen a Japanese keyboard?  The keys have three commands each instead of two.  I can't help wondering about the dynamics of that.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Moss. on October 07, 2006, 09:55:53 PM
http://www.maltron.com/images/keyboards/maltron-usb-dual-l90-uk-mac-dvorak-1-large.jpg (http://www.maltron.com/images/keyboards/maltron-usb-dual-l90-uk-mac-dvorak-1-large.jpg)

That's insane.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Moss. on October 07, 2006, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: Yossy on October 06, 2006, 12:17:22 PM
Have you ever seen a Japanese keyboard?  The keys have three commands each instead of two.  I can't help wondering about the dynamics of that.
Most laptops have that as well, Yossy. There are shift functions, and then FN key functions, though not on every key.

For example, there's no numberpad on a laptop, so they place one over on the right side of the keyboard. Over

7 8 9 0
u i o p
j k l ;
m   . /

When the shift key is pressed, they become

& * ( )
U I O P
J K L :
M   > ?

and when the FN key is pressed, those keys become

7 8 9 /
4 5 6 *
1 2 3 -
0   . +
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Malson on October 07, 2006, 11:28:03 PM
Quote from: arlenreyb on October 07, 2006, 09:55:53 PM
http://www.maltron.com/images/keyboards/maltron-usb-dual-l90-uk-mac-dvorak-1-large.jpg (http://www.maltron.com/images/keyboards/maltron-usb-dual-l90-uk-mac-dvorak-1-large.jpg)

That's insane.

No kidding. I can't even load the picture on dialup due to its effing file size.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Moss. on October 07, 2006, 11:29:11 PM
ahahahahahaha yes
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: SexualBubblegumX on October 08, 2006, 04:09:11 AM
Quote from: arlenreyb on October 07, 2006, 09:55:53 PM
http://www.maltron.com/images/keyboards/maltron-usb-dual-l90-uk-mac-dvorak-1-large.jpg (http://www.maltron.com/images/keyboards/maltron-usb-dual-l90-uk-mac-dvorak-1-large.jpg)

That's insane.
This keyboard has issues.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Roph on October 08, 2006, 05:14:28 AM
Actually, that keyboard hardly looks well made to be honest.

I used to have a keyboard that was split down the middle, the keys were seperated and slightly to an angle. When I started I was a crap typer, and when I finally got rid of it maybe 4 years later, I had the typing speed I have now :3

QWERTY does fine for me, I can keep up a decent amount of letters typed in a second pretty easily, which is fine for me. Plus it'd be pretty gay to be into any other keyboard layout when the rest of the world uses QWERTY, you suck on almost any keyboard ever except your own.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Blizzard on October 08, 2006, 12:44:49 PM
Quote from: arlenreyb on October 07, 2006, 09:55:53 PM
http://www.maltron.com/images/keyboards/maltron-usb-dual-l90-uk-mac-dvorak-1-large.jpg (http://www.maltron.com/images/keyboards/maltron-usb-dual-l90-uk-mac-dvorak-1-large.jpg)

That's insane.

Nope. That's insane:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/bblizzard/play_this_song.jpg
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Maglor on October 08, 2006, 03:30:14 PM
I think It's for the piano with 2 or 3 persons  ;D
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Moss. on October 08, 2006, 06:02:27 PM
Quote from: Blizzard on October 08, 2006, 12:44:49 PM
Quote from: arlenreyb on October 07, 2006, 09:55:53 PM
http://www.maltron.com/images/keyboards/maltron-usb-dual-l90-uk-mac-dvorak-1-large.jpg (http://www.maltron.com/images/keyboards/maltron-usb-dual-l90-uk-mac-dvorak-1-large.jpg)

That's insane.

Nope. That's insane:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/bblizzard/play_this_song.jpg
lol, there's a second one of those floating around somewhere on the internet, I think.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Atomic on October 10, 2006, 07:29:37 PM
Quote from: Silverline on October 08, 2006, 05:14:28 AM
Actually, that keyboard hardly looks well made to be honest.

I used to have a keyboard that was split down the middle, the keys were seperated and slightly to an angle. When I started I was a crap typer, and when I finally got rid of it maybe 4 years later, I had the typing speed I have now :3

QWERTY does fine for me, I can keep up a decent amount of letters typed in a second pretty easily, which is fine for me. Plus it'd be pretty gay to be into any other keyboard layout when the rest of the world uses QWERTY, you suck on almost any keyboard ever except your own.

I was thinking about how stupid it would be not to use qwerty... then I thought "hey i'll post about it in the QWERTY topic on crankeye...."



Some of the recent mac laptops allowed you to rearrange the keys and layout settings
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Zeriab on October 11, 2006, 07:23:18 PM
Lol Maltron... This is also an Maltron: http://www.maltron.com/images/press/maltron-mouthstick-keyboard1.jpg
Dialup version: http://www.maltron.com/images/keyboards/maltron-mouthstick-keyboard1m.jpg

And this: http://www.maltron.com/images/press/maltron-lefthand-keyboard1.jpg
Dailup: http://www.maltron.com/images/keyboards/maltron-lefthand-keyboard1m.jpg


They are special designed keyboards though.
The first one is designed for people using a mouthstick for typing.
The second one is designed for people only able to use their left hand.

So isn't it possible that the one shown before are for people with semi-crippled hands?


I wouldn't like to change to Dvorak.
There is the issue with most keyboards being QWERTY
There also is the issue with me, when programming, giving my class and variable names designed for QWERTY. <- Super nerdy  :dog:
I would hate to change them.

- Zeriab
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Yossy on October 11, 2006, 08:45:39 PM
Dude, those Maltron keyboards are awesome.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: SexualBubblegumX on October 13, 2006, 01:14:04 AM
I'm sticking with mah qwerty, because I'm just lazy.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Yossy on October 13, 2006, 12:13:38 PM
Yeah, same here. ;D
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Blizzard on October 13, 2006, 12:20:36 PM
QWERTZ rulez.
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Dragonfly on October 14, 2006, 08:15:11 AM
If you used QWERTY for long long long, then it's a stupid decision to go for a new typing style, with a new keyboard, cause your fingers get used to the keys, you would start typing everything wrong.

For instances, I can now type blind with nearly no mistakes, however, if I get a new keyboard (Even if it's an other Qwerty) I have to get used to it, I'll start making typo's and such. I hate it. So I am staying with my new keyboard, that's now like 10 years old (It still types like a baby, I lub it :P)
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: SexualBubblegumX on October 15, 2006, 04:54:51 AM
You wub it, eh?
Title: Re: QWERTY
Post by: Malson on October 16, 2006, 01:02:09 AM
Apparently so. Donkeys are cool.