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Title: Shining Force IV(It's Back give it another Chance!)
Post by: edwards64 on September 20, 2009, 04:46:57 PM

Shining Force IV

(https://rmrk.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.tinypic.com%2F24nr1pu.png&hash=17a47e2999a4ad31eba2de362dec23beeba67e8d)

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SHINING FORCE IV IS BACK!!

Shining Force IV is a game thirty years into the future after the events in Shining Force II. The story is now a little different then it orignally was before but not SHINING FORCE IV is back and with a twist, but you can only find out by playing. But eventually the game will start when the new hero Mike is woken up and sent to school just like the hero is in Shining Force II. This is a strategy type game just like in the other Shining Force Games.

Now this game is very cliche like but it was made so it would seem like it was a game already in the series.

SCREENSHOTS
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(https://rmrk.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg9.imageshack.us%2Fimg9%2F5922%2F56181121.jpg&hash=93e596d5689fc58b7c7dc50e8871aaae95f48424)
(https://rmrk.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg526.imageshack.us%2Fimg526%2F5337%2F12701245.jpg&hash=a206264edab2cceb7fa362264ef4bd2c12937763)
(https://rmrk.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg21.imageshack.us%2Fimg21%2F7899%2F51802148.jpg&hash=10de93fa1265c3de6bb33c802d9b5bcca80707e3)
(https://rmrk.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg519.imageshack.us%2Fimg519%2F9132%2F32116052.jpg&hash=7ba164e8b17407753bcd595f7e6b921a4f994e25)

DEMO LINK (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TAH5PL5N)

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Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Irock on September 20, 2009, 05:10:00 PM

How do I get my game to do that?

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Karo Rushe on September 20, 2009, 05:25:51 PM

Oh my god . . . .

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: firerain on September 20, 2009, 05:41:10 PM

fuck yeah looks fucking awesome bro

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Grafikal on September 20, 2009, 05:52:57 PM

That's Gubi's TBS, and ewwwww please don't use anything that looks like Comic Sans as a font for your game :(
Other than that, I think you need to fix up your mapping and correct your title screen and all will be awesome :)

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Zylos on September 20, 2009, 09:13:07 PM

Just from my name, most can tell I'm obviously a huge Shining Force fan, so I have only one thing to say:

Spoiler for:

Well, I lied. I have a lot to say. But as I'm in a hurry I'll summarize my ranting.

NO ONE in the right mind will use Arshes as a main character like that, unless the game's a joke or parody. And the over abundance of RTP is bad. Very bad. What's worse is that what isn't RTP is a very badly done graphic. Also, the maps are horrible and mostly very empty. And lastly for now... 145mb demo? Most finished games are far less than that. No game is worth that much time to download.

And what do you mean, all comments are welcome this time if this is your first post? Have you posted a game here before?

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Karo Rushe on September 20, 2009, 09:42:02 PM

Once again . . .


Oh My God . . .

It's the only way to express my horrified face of the same points given by Zylos.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: edwards64 on September 21, 2009, 01:42:01 AM

A. Yes i posted agame on here before thats why I said this.
B. I've never been good at mapping.
C. Have you played the game at all? Seriously Play the game.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Zylos on September 21, 2009, 01:47:34 AM

What game was it?

And hell if I'm going to download 145mb for a crappy looking demo with those screenshots.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: edwards64 on September 21, 2009, 02:27:45 AM

It was called Fire Stone Legend of The Dragon Family. It did even worse then this one is doing already so i removed it.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Karo Rushe on September 21, 2009, 02:48:13 AM

Quote from: edwards64 on September 21, 2009, 01:42:01 AM

A. Yes i posted agame on here before thats why I said this.
B. I've never been good at mapping.
C. Have you played the game at all? Seriously Play the game.

A) I Don't remember such game and if it was, it must be horrible

B) Doesn't matter, learn to Map, There are Tutorials to learn how to map. People don't care about much of Story or Gameplay, as the first thing everyone knows will look at is the Screenshots, they tell if it's worth reading plot & gameplay, otherwise, It'll just get bad reviews & be left out.

C) No one will play a Game that's 143mbs with Horrible Mapping & With Arshes in it. Period.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: edwards64 on September 21, 2009, 10:59:13 AM

A. the game size is not getting bigger.
B. I don't know how to make mp3's smaller so that the file wont be as big.
C. I'm using a strictly Shining Force Soundtrack from the actually games.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Smooth on September 21, 2009, 12:11:34 PM

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I don't know how to make mp3's smaller so that the file wont be as big.

Well then you could look for the "midi" version for your songs, if there are any..   ::)
or sacrifice some MP3´s, I'm sure you don't need more than 5 soundtracks for your game if its a short one...how many songs do you need to fill up 145mb ??   ???

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: edwards64 on September 21, 2009, 01:24:40 PM

my problem is i have the soundtrack from one two and cd so i have planned on finishing then deleting whatever i didn't use. I probably could have and should have done it differently.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Grafikal on September 21, 2009, 09:55:55 PM

That was a stupid comment and you can't write spoilers inside spoilers.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: fuzzthedog on September 21, 2009, 09:58:42 PM

Quote from: grafikal on September 21, 2009, 09:55:55 PM

That was a stupid comment and you can't write spoilers inside spoilers.

Your right...
sorry.

All wisecracks aside, this does look good.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Zylos on September 21, 2009, 10:16:37 PM

Quote from: fuzzthedog on September 21, 2009, 09:58:42 PM

All wisecracks aside, this does look good.

What, may I ask, is appealing about this project? The only remotely decent thing is the title screen.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: fuzzthedog on September 21, 2009, 10:19:38 PM

Quote from: Zylos on September 21, 2009, 10:16:37 PM

Quote from: fuzzthedog on September 21, 2009, 09:58:42 PM

All wisecracks aside, this does look good.

What, may I ask, is appealing about this project? The only remotely decent thing is the title screen.

Here is the list:

He actually got the battle system right.

Shining Force is the best series of SRPGs ever, and this looks to be a decent enough revival

Here is the list of bad points:

Sprites... it's sad, really

Size... 10-20 normal RPGs would fit in that space

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: edwards64 on September 21, 2009, 10:28:20 PM

I would like to start with saying that the original shining force maps were large and open, kinda similar to my maps as sloppy as they may be. As for my game size yes I know it is a major issue of which I would love to fix sometime soon.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Zylos on September 21, 2009, 10:36:05 PM

@fuzzthedog - He's using the default Gupid Tactical Battle System script, with no changes whatsoever to the script by the look of it. Makes it resemble FF Tactics more than Shining Force, and not in a good way either. And just because he has the title Shining Force in his game does not make it a good fangame. The screenshots look terrible overall, for mapping, sprites, face graphics, and that little bit of dialogue. I'd hardly call it a good looking game.

@edward64 - I know I probably seem like an ass to you, but come on. Don't give me BS about empty maps, they were never that bad even in the original. Just look at this (http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/genesis/shiningforce/images/maps/battle04.gif) or this (http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/genesis/shiningforce/images/maps/battle03.gif) and look up some friggin' map tutorials or something.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: edwards64 on September 21, 2009, 10:48:02 PM

And I'm asking you to look at this
(https://rmrk.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsf2.shiningforcecentral.com%2Fscreenshots%2Fbattles%2F09.gif&hash=eb7560901c39e9641fe49352adfb62d98c51c1a7)

and the fact that the town in the picture is so open is because Sapphire is supposed to represent that small of a town.


The thing that makes me mad about the file compression is I compressed it and it somehow got bigger?? Is this even possible?! Is there anything better then winrar.

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He's using the default Gupid Tactical Battle System script, with no changes whatsoever to the script by the look of it. Makes it resemble FF Tactics more than Shining Force

Ya um... even Gupid hasn't been able to make it like Shining Force, yet. Trust me I know I've actually worked with Gupid on couple of the adjustments I made of. All of which were just tiny things.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Esmeralda on September 22, 2009, 05:29:24 AM

 Dear there are many graphical problems with this. Did you use Paint to rip and resize those window borders + facesets? It looks like it. Don't only use four letters in a name/class if you won't be using only four letters for stats too (Do not use KNGT in junction with Attack Power and Long Sword. That makes it pretty obvious you're going for an old-school approach but you're too lazy to change everything else and it lacks polish). I have a personal hatred against the certain font you're using here so no comments there. Your menu is a mess. What do you feel when you open it? The faces have disgusting white borders around them and they are way too big. Set a certain limit to them, like 48x48 pixels and stick to what with them all. Try making it a bit more pleasing to the eye. They create a terrible contrast with the player name and it's just a big mess. You might want to get some help with this if you're not comfortable doing it yourself. Won't bother saying anything about the ninja Arshes edit >_>;;

 Do get rid of all the music you don't need. Or don't even include music in the demo, really. I don't really care so I'll download this anyway but many people don't like huge downloads as you've probably noticed by now. Also go through some mapping tutorials, learn what tiles goes where and so on. These are just my impressions of the screenshots so more will follow after I've actually played this game but this will have to do for now. Really people, don't just badmouth people for 'starting out'. We all do that and it's really unnecessary, give the poor guy a chance. Listen to MA (http://rmrk.net/index.php/topic,34882.msg421351.html#msg421351).

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Zylos on September 22, 2009, 02:18:44 PM

Sorry Rasse. I'm harsh with my criticism because it's a dear series to me, and I'm really put off by how bad the project looks for all of the more precise criticisms you and everyone has already mentioned, especially the maps with so many obvious errors. Even more annoying is the creator defending his project with excuses rather than trying to fix them. Whether it's harsh criticism or soft criticism, he needs to take it and work with it unless there is a very good and very specific reason not to.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: edwards64 on September 22, 2009, 10:09:28 PM

Are there smaller music files that work with RPG MAKER then mp3's?? If so tell me please this could help me make a smaller compressed file.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Zylos on September 22, 2009, 11:50:55 PM

Try using midis instead of an mp3s for your songs, and getting rid the ones you don't need in the demo.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Karo Rushe on September 23, 2009, 12:28:13 AM

Quote from: edwards64 on September 21, 2009, 11:07:17 AM

Also don't get on my case for using RTP when other users RTP as well, I already admitted Mapping is my weak point so cut a guy some slack.

Yeah, but guess what, Those People actually Don't use Arshes as their main character (Unless their noobs or the game's a Joke).

:/ Read some tutorials on Mapping, check the screenshot thread for some ideas and how each part of the tilesets work, don't go all 'I suck at mapping, because it's my weak point'.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: edwards64 on September 23, 2009, 12:51:42 AM

A. What's wrong with Arshes?
B. Arshes is only the main character sprite for the prologue.

- Plus I don't want to switch to midi I HATE that poor sound quality soo much so at the moment I am looking up some more music types.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: edwards64 on September 23, 2009, 12:42:52 PM

I made a couple changes.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Lazer Ki on September 23, 2009, 04:34:26 PM

Switch to .ogg's. Those have the same quality, but smaller size.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: edwards64 on September 24, 2009, 02:38:50 AM

Those are compatibale with RPG MAKER XP??

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Zylos on September 24, 2009, 03:51:22 AM

Yes, and they loop easier too. The downside is that they'll take a moment of lag to load up at first.
But it's worth it.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: edwards64 on September 24, 2009, 11:07:57 AM

okay cool thanks. I'll get to work on that.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: edwards64 on September 26, 2009, 04:22:22 AM

I got the file to be even smaller thanks to ogg's but it wasn't successful with all files

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Grafikal on September 26, 2009, 04:54:19 AM

Nobody will take your game seriously with Arshes as any part of the game unless it's a game based on making fun of how noobs use Arshes like yourself, but seeing as how you don't know, then I'm sure that this game isn't doing that. Also, remove every resource from your folders that you don't use. Learn to file manage and create asset folders.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: edwards64 on September 26, 2009, 12:23:29 PM

What is the big deal about Arshes why is he only used by noobs that if anyone was does use its a big deal. I like the Arshes sprite it fits the red-headed character that I want. ARSHES IS ONLY USED IN THE PROLOGUE!!!

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Karo Rushe on September 26, 2009, 01:01:26 PM

Arshes was used by f*cking everyone, and it annoyed the shit of out the Older & more Wise men disliked that. Nobody cares whether be the prologue or epilogue, everyone hates Arshes to death and won't take your game serious at all . . .
So stop been immature crybaby, we're trying to help and yet to whine about it like some 3-year-old boy who want an Ice cream but his mother won't buy it. And it's getting annoying. Period . . .

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Lazer Ki on September 26, 2009, 05:21:26 PM

Uhh.. how is he being a crybaby?

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Karo Rushe on September 27, 2009, 12:43:25 PM

Quote from: Lazer Kirby on September 26, 2009, 05:21:26 PM

Uhh.. how is he being a crybaby?

You don't seem to have read all his posts to understand the meaning of the word.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: modern algebra on September 27, 2009, 12:57:25 PM

Yes, you should not use Arshes for all the reasons stated above. But there's no point in trying to force him to change it just because we don't like it. The game maker is not obligated to accept all advice (as established in the case of Irock v. NAMKCOR), and he clearly doesn't want to change it. Granted, hardly anybody will play his game because of it, but that's beside the point; there's no purpose in aggravating him.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: Lazer Ki on September 27, 2009, 10:50:19 PM

Quote from: Karo Rushe on September 27, 2009, 12:43:25 PM

Quote from: Lazer Kirby on September 26, 2009, 05:21:26 PM

Uhh.. how is he being a crybaby?

You don't seem to have read all his posts to understand the meaning of the word.

Ohh... Now I see... yeah, I guess he kinda is.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: fuzzthedog on October 27, 2009, 07:50:33 PM

Quote from: Kuja on September 26, 2009, 04:54:19 AM

Nobody will take your game seriously with Arshes as any part of the game unless it's a game based on making fun of how noobs use Arshes like yourself, but seeing as how you don't know, then I'm sure that this game isn't doing that. Also, remove every resource from your folders that you don't use. Learn to file manage and create asset folders.

This is only my opinion, but... ARSHES IS ON THE CHARACTER SHEET SO YOU CAN USE HIM! There really is no reason not to use him should you execute it correctly.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: NPC on October 27, 2009, 11:18:34 PM

Quote from: fuzzthedog on October 27, 2009, 07:50:33 PM

This is only my opinion, but... ARSHES IS ON THE CHARACTER SHEET SO YOU CAN USE HIM! There really is no reason not to use him should you execute it correctly.

The problem is that he is seen constantly, it would be the same as if you decided to make a fan game of FF7, people would probably become really annoyed, especially if you kept the main character as Cloud. Now, there is no real problem with either Arshes or Cloud (hell, I love FF7, and I am not going to deny it) but after seeing the same thing over and over, you get a little sick of it.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV
Post by: modern algebra on October 28, 2009, 12:23:40 AM

@fuzz - no, Arshes does not automatically make games bad in an objective sense and yes, you can use him. But it's prudent to not use him when thinking of the market. If everyone in your target audience hates an idea, then it is stupid to use it. If the object of posting a game on a forum is to have other people play it, why wouldn't you want to avoid something that you know will make them dislike your game? Like I said, he/she is under no obligation to change it, but saying "Hey look, nobody likes games that use Arshes (because it is generally a marker of a lack of creativity, and people don't want to play games that are likely to be uncreative and unoriginal)" isn't a negative thing. It's constructive feedback that, if acted upon, could increase the appeal of the game to the community.

In any case, the creator hasn't been here since a month ago.

Title: Re: Shining Force IV(It's Back give it another Chance!)
Post by: edwards64 on February 07, 2010, 02:04:21 AM

SHINING FORCE IV IS BACK...
Give it another Chance. :zwink: