Alright, I saw this on some other forums, so let's debate.
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
http://www.johnmccain.com/
Who do you think would be the best US President?
I wouldn't associate myself with either party, but I like McCain a bit better, mainly because Obama appears to be an elitist (his remarks about rural America pissed me off).
I'm interested what some non-americans think about this, if y'all follow our elections over seas.
McCain can't say a speech if his life depended on it :/ horrible, horrible speaker. As well as age. It sucks, but yes age does play a role in this
McCain, because I'm Texan, and because I can.
McCain's age isn't a bad thing at all, his age gives him much more political experience than that of a young inexperienced senator.
Quote from: Dr_Swordfish on June 15, 2008, 12:08:12 AM
McCain, because I'm Texan, and because he is the best choice.
Quoted for truth.
I would prefer Obama, although I'm still reading about McCain.
McCain.
He's pretty chill, dawg.
:bean:
We only hear the results on the radio over here, lol. I could care less, but I don't really think anybody as young as Obama should be president. I don't anyone old like McCain should be elected either.
Don't care either way.
Quote from: Rabiit on June 15, 2008, 02:23:16 PM
Don't care either way.
Obama I guess, though haven't followed it too much. Lol'd at other people in the press always "accidentally" saying Osama.
McCain. I agree more with the things he says, and I believe he would be better for the country. And Obama was in a racist church.
You know what? I wanted Hillary.
Obama is...well, I don't know! I am having some difficulty finding him taking a stance on much of anything! While I disagree with some of what McCain says, I would definitely assert that he's a very smart man.
I'm tempted to vote for him, tbh.
Quote from: Sparrow on June 19, 2008, 05:29:38 AM
You know what? I wanted Hillary.
I can only pray that you were joking.
Plus, if Obama gets presidency and picks Hilary as his Vice President, she'll become president anyway.
If you know what I mean.
if Obma gets elected and tackes hillery as vice presedent i will move to china
Forgive me, but I do not like John McCain. I was not a fan of George W Bush's presidency, and from what I can tell, McCain's campaign originated off the idea that he would finish what Bush started. That pretty much sealed the deal for me. I haven't been keeping up with the election, but I knew that I wouldn't be voting red this year.
Obama might not have the resume that McCain does, but goddamn, Obama is a mighty charismatic fellow. Character really is something I like to see in my president.
Quote from: narcodis on August 01, 2008, 08:25:21 AM
Forgive me, but I do not like John McCain. I was not a fan of George W Bush's presidency, and from what I can tell, McCain's campaign originated off the idea that he would finish what Bush started. That pretty much sealed the deal for me. I haven't been keeping up with the election, but I knew that I wouldn't be voting red this year.
Obama might not have the resume that McCain does, but goddamn, Obama is a mighty charismatic fellow. Character really is something I like to see in my president.
Obama attended a church that preeches hate against white people and the United States. He had been attending the church since the 80s. Sounds like a nice president, right?
Quote from: Raphael on August 01, 2008, 08:27:44 AM
Quote from: narcodis on August 01, 2008, 08:25:21 AM
Forgive me, but I do not like John McCain. I was not a fan of George W Bush's presidency, and from what I can tell, McCain's campaign originated off the idea that he would finish what Bush started. That pretty much sealed the deal for me. I haven't been keeping up with the election, but I knew that I wouldn't be voting red this year.
Obama might not have the resume that McCain does, but goddamn, Obama is a mighty charismatic fellow. Character really is something I like to see in my president.
Obama attended a church that preeches hate against white people and the United States. He had been attending the church since the 80s. Sounds like a nice president, right?
Obama's pastor preached some pretty piss-poor stuff, I agree. He addressed that and condemned the words of his pastor. If you're familiar with the christian faith, a pastor literally becomes like a part of your family. He baptized his children, and has been a part of his life for such a long time.
If your brother started saying he hates the united states, white people, and The Dark Knight, you certainly wouldn't think much of him for saying those things, but you still love and care for him because he's your brother.
And honestly.. that's the only legitimate potential dirt I've heard on Obama.
Quote from: narcodis on August 01, 2008, 08:40:20 AM
Quote from: Raphael on August 01, 2008, 08:27:44 AM
Quote from: narcodis on August 01, 2008, 08:25:21 AM
Forgive me, but I do not like John McCain. I was not a fan of George W Bush's presidency, and from what I can tell, McCain's campaign originated off the idea that he would finish what Bush started. That pretty much sealed the deal for me. I haven't been keeping up with the election, but I knew that I wouldn't be voting red this year.
Obama might not have the resume that McCain does, but goddamn, Obama is a mighty charismatic fellow. Character really is something I like to see in my president.
Obama attended a church that preeches hate against white people and the United States. He had been attending the church since the 80s. Sounds like a nice president, right?
Obama's pastor preached some pretty piss-poor stuff, I agree. He addressed that and condemned the words of his pastor. If you're familiar with the christian faith, a pastor literally becomes like a part of your family. He baptized his children, and has been a part of his life for such a long time.
If your brother started saying he hates the united states, white people, and The Dark Knight, you certainly wouldn't think much of him for saying those things, but you still love and care for him because he's your brother.
And honestly.. that's the only legitimate potential dirt I've heard on Obama.
He attended the church since the 80s and the pastor had been preaching all this for a LONG time. Your story would seem to be an examination, except for the fact that Obama said he was shocked at what the pastor said. He's been preaching this anti-American bullshit for years and Obama is just now shocked? Sounds like Obama didn't exactly plan on everyone finding out about his church of choice, so he's making up a little story in attempt to protect his chances at becoming president.
Quote from: Raphael on August 01, 2008, 08:27:44 AM
Quote from: narcodis on August 01, 2008, 08:25:21 AM
Forgive me, but I do not like John McCain. I was not a fan of George W Bush's presidency, and from what I can tell, McCain's campaign originated off the idea that he would finish what Bush started. That pretty much sealed the deal for me. I haven't been keeping up with the election, but I knew that I wouldn't be voting red this year.
Obama might not have the resume that McCain does, but goddamn, Obama is a mighty charismatic fellow. Character really is something I like to see in my president.
Obama attended a church that preeches hate against white people and the United States. He had been attending the church since the 80s. Sounds like a nice president, right?
No one cared if presidents was racists in the past, it's only a problem 'cus it's a
Black guy against the white people.
Quote from: Link on August 01, 2008, 09:15:05 AM
Quote from: Raphael on August 01, 2008, 08:27:44 AM
Quote from: narcodis on August 01, 2008, 08:25:21 AM
Forgive me, but I do not like John McCain. I was not a fan of George W Bush's presidency, and from what I can tell, McCain's campaign originated off the idea that he would finish what Bush started. That pretty much sealed the deal for me. I haven't been keeping up with the election, but I knew that I wouldn't be voting red this year.
Obama might not have the resume that McCain does, but goddamn, Obama is a mighty charismatic fellow. Character really is something I like to see in my president.
Obama attended a church that preeches hate against white people and the United States. He had been attending the church since the 80s. Sounds like a nice president, right?
No one cared if presidents was racists in the past, it's only a problem 'cus it's a Black guy against the white people.
Really? I happen tot think all racists are morons. How about just about every black person saying they're going to vote for Obama simply because he's black? How is that not racist? Martin Luthar king said "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
True, but so are politicians :/
Anyway, thought he is/was racist, it's only been brought up due to the fact it was Black hating whites, though nowa days racism is found in everything, 'cus people like to bitch, so i doubt it would work that way.
And for black people voting for obama, a hell of a lot of white people will vote against to stop a black man being president.
Quote from: Link on August 01, 2008, 09:47:00 AMAnd for black people voting for obama, a hell of a lot of white people will vote against to stop a black man being president.
The racist ones might, but I know plenty of white people that want to vote for Obama. I haven't met one black person that doesn't want Obama to be president.
Then you have won this round.
The Foreigner/Inmigrants also support Obama . . . At least, from Puerto Rico that I know of (Thou my parents wanted Hillary than Obama).
Quote from: Raphael on August 01, 2008, 05:46:15 PM
Quote from: Link on August 01, 2008, 09:47:00 AMAnd for black people voting for obama, a hell of a lot of white people will vote against to stop a black man being president.
The racist ones might, but I know plenty of white people that want to vote for Obama. I haven't met one black person that doesn't want Obama to be president.
I don't see how that is Obama's fault.
As for the pastor issue, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrp-v2tHaDo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrp-v2tHaDo&feature=related)
I'd say watch the whole thing, but if you're concerned about his views on his pastor, fast forward to about 5 minutes in.
Quote from: narcodis on August 02, 2008, 12:51:03 AM
I don't see how that is Obama's fault.
As for the pastor issue, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrp-v2tHaDo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrp-v2tHaDo&feature=related)
I'd say watch the whole thing, but if you're concerned about his views on his pastor, fast forward to about 5 minutes in.
Politicians lie. Every single politician out there would deny his anti-American views, because they know it isn't going to help their campaign any. If a man was in the KKK since the 80s, and the word got out, and he suddenly said "I'm only in the KKK because the leader of our group introduced me to my religion" nobody would believe him. It's simply a lie to get back some of the votes he lost when the word got out. I couldn't stand sitting in a room listening to a man scream "NIGGERS ARE RUINING THIS COUNTRY!" for decades. Even if I knew the leader, I wouldn't continue being a member. Don't take the words of a man in trouble as fact.
Quote from: Raphael on August 02, 2008, 01:15:59 AM
Quote from: narcodis on August 02, 2008, 12:51:03 AM
I don't see how that is Obama's fault.
As for the pastor issue, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrp-v2tHaDo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrp-v2tHaDo&feature=related)
I'd say watch the whole thing, but if you're concerned about his views on his pastor, fast forward to about 5 minutes in.
Politicians lie. Every single politician out there would deny his anti-American views, because they know it isn't going to help their campaign any. If a man was in the KKK since the 80s, and the word got out, and he suddenly said "I'm only in the KKK because the leader of our group introduced me to my religion" nobody would believe him. It's simply a lie to get back some of the votes he lost when the word got out. I couldn't stand sitting in a room listening to a man scream "NIGGERS ARE RUINING THIS COUNTRY!" for decades. Even if I knew the leader, I wouldn't continue being a member. Don't take the words of a man in trouble as fact.
Look, just because you attend a church where someone is preaching random nuances about race and nationalism doesn't mean everyone sitting in the same room as him agrees with it. A church is a community, a lifestyle, and a place for worship. The fact that the pastor used his position as his own little soapbox to spew his own narrow-minded bigoted opinion once in a while doesn't mean anything. Obama showing his separation and disgust for what his pastor said, but at the same time showing his compassion and acceptance of who he is and his opinion, really, is a brilliant and warm-hearted move.
And like I said.. If that's the worst Obama is guilty of, then he's probably the best candidate this nation has seen in decades.
ITT: Irock thinks he understands politics.
Quote from: narcodis on August 02, 2008, 04:31:38 AM
Quote from: Raphael on August 02, 2008, 01:15:59 AM
Quote from: narcodis on August 02, 2008, 12:51:03 AM
I don't see how that is Obama's fault.
As for the pastor issue, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrp-v2tHaDo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrp-v2tHaDo&feature=related)
I'd say watch the whole thing, but if you're concerned about his views on his pastor, fast forward to about 5 minutes in.
Politicians lie. Every single politician out there would deny his anti-American views, because they know it isn't going to help their campaign any. If a man was in the KKK since the 80s, and the word got out, and he suddenly said "I'm only in the KKK because the leader of our group introduced me to my religion" nobody would believe him. It's simply a lie to get back some of the votes he lost when the word got out. I couldn't stand sitting in a room listening to a man scream "NIGGERS ARE RUINING THIS COUNTRY!" for decades. Even if I knew the leader, I wouldn't continue being a member. Don't take the words of a man in trouble as fact.
Look, just because you attend a church where someone is preaching random nuances about race and nationalism doesn't mean everyone sitting in the same room as him agrees with it. A church is a community, a lifestyle, and a place for worship. The fact that the pastor used his position as his own little soapbox to spew his own narrow-minded bigoted opinion once in a while doesn't mean anything. Obama showing his separation and disgust for what his pastor said, but at the same time showing his compassion and acceptance of who he is and his opinion, really, is a brilliant and warm-hearted move.
And like I said.. If that's the worst Obama is guilty of, then he's probably the best candidate this nation has seen in decades.
So the pastor has been preaching this racist, anti-American garbage since the 80s, yet Obama gave the pastor $21,000 and right when the public found out about the church, Obama suddenly said that he was outraged? He's had YEARS to be outraged. You're not going to listen to a man say things like "not God bless America, God damn America" (2003) for 20 years and then suddenly say "I am outraged."
The fact that Obama decided to say "I am outraged" after 20 years of hearing the pastor, is the one thing that shows that Obama is lying to save his campaign. It doesn't take 20 years to be outraged about something, as much as you want to believe it.
Who ever said he never thought his pastor's statements were outrageous before? Just because he didn't publicly state he doesn't agree with his pastor doesn't mean he didn't all along. It's not like he's going to announce at a press conference "Oh, by the way? My pastor, he's sort of a racist anti-establishment cook, and I'm here and now stating that the things he says don't reflect my personal views at all. kthx." Once the republican party dug up that fresh piece of dirt, they tried to oh-so-badly capitalize on it, but Obama clearly stated he has never agreed with his pastor's more extreme views.
Look, you're obviously convinced that Obama is this lying, slanderous racist scumfuck that really wants to tear this nation down and bring on the black panther revolution. I'm not going to try and dissuade you.
PS- How're Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity doing these days?
Quote from: narcodis on August 02, 2008, 09:30:43 AM
Who ever said he never thought his pastor's statements were outrageous before? Just because he didn't publicly state he doesn't agree with his pastor doesn't mean he didn't all along. It's not like he's going to announce at a press conference "Oh, by the way? My pastor, he's sort of a racist anti-establishment cook, and I'm here and now stating that the things he says don't reflect my personal views at all. kthx." Once the republican party dug up that fresh piece of dirt, they tried to oh-so-badly capitalize on it, but Obama clearly stated he has never agreed with his pastor's more extreme views.
So he's been outraged for 20 years, yet he's stood in that church and listened to him regularly? That doesn't happen. I'm not going to listen to my pastor preach some bullshit about black people ruining America. Even if he had introduced me to my religion, baptized my children, and treated me like a son, I would NOT listen to them every single day preach words of hatred against another race, and I wouldn't give him $27,000.
Quote from: narcodis on August 02, 2008, 09:30:43 AMLook, you're obviously convinced that Obama is this lying, slanderous racist scumfuck that really wants to tear this nation down and bring on the black panther revolution. I'm not going to try and dissuade you.
And you're obviously convinced that Obama is a great, almighty, loving, messiah that's going to stop all war, and find a fuel that costs $1 a barrel.
Quote from: narcodis on August 02, 2008, 09:30:43 AMPS- How're Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity doing these days?
I don't listen to the radio, but I'd imagine they're doing fine. Glenn Beck is doing pretty well too.
How are the liberal news stations doing?
God, how I hate politics.
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I'd vote for Obama simply because he can sink a 3-pointer, and McCain falls asleep in Congress.
Quote from: Arlen on August 06, 2008, 08:01:52 PM
I'd vote for Obama simply because he can sink a 3-pointer, and McCain falls asleep in Congress.
You would fall asleep in congress too. It was a motherhuggingly boring 30 years of my life.
QuoteSo he's been outraged for 20 years, yet he's stood in that church and listened to him regularly? That doesn't happen. I'm not going to listen to my pastor preach some bullshit about black people ruining America. Even if he had introduced me to my religion, baptized my children, and treated me like a son, I would NOT listen to them every single day preach words of hatred against another race, and I wouldn't give him $27,000.
I wouldn't give someone I was outraged with $27k. That's pretty bizarre. In all likelihood, we're looking at a failed humanitarian move. Obama arbitrarily decided to give this pastor money, in an effort to boost his ratings with conservative religious types, and it backfired. Or, he's been listening to vaguely racist preaching from a corrupt congregation leader. Then tried ot give him mponey and be outraged at the same time. Either way, it was a bad move on Lama Obama's part.
PS... I like the name Slowbama. It sounds like a pokemon.