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RMRK General => General Chat => Topic started by: InfernoPhoenix on August 08, 2007, 01:24:32 AM
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As members of the animal kingdom, we are pretty pathetic come to think of it. We are some of the weakest, slowest, clumsiest, most defensless animals on the planet. So how the hell are we dominating the entire planet? Technicaly, we should be hiding in caves, narrowly escaping death by the fangs and claws of a more dominant animal, like the tiger or lion. Does our intelect really make such a difference?
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So how the hell are we dominating the entire planet?
Because we're the most massively intelligent creatures our planet has ever produced.
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yes, but our evolution has taken us millions of years. We weren't so smart back then... and still we managed to survive. What I'm saying is: our intelect was meant to prevent us from being wiped out, not dominate everything.
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How can chimpanzees or orangutans survive? They don't have any natural defenses, either.
We've had tools for a while now, and before that we still had cooperation and learning. Ten men with spears could bring down some tough game, and when they used strategies like driving the prey off a cliff they could take any animal they wanted. A single human or one of his ancestors isn't particularly fearsome but with cooperation and tools they reached the top of the food chain.
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I see.... I supposed I overlooked that bit.
Yeah, as humans we are very sociable, so it would make sence if we had some sort of a community back in the ancient times.
Now I'd like to bring up another topic... what now? Where is the human race going now?
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Put it in another thread and I'll hazard a guess.
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How can chimpanzees or orangutans survive?
Most feral primates can rip a human being limb from limb. They aren't pussies.
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Most feral primates can rip a human being limb from limb. They aren't pussies.
Exactly, however they rely on instinct to survive. We evolved beyond that
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We are a fluke, we are too intelligent, and not strong enough to survive without advanced intelligence, so we should have died in our early stages of evolution.
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We are a fluke, we are too intelligent, and not strong enough to survive without advanced intelligence, so we should have died in our early stages of evolution.
And that's exactly the point I'm tryin to make, thanks biohazard
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Nooo problem.
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We are a fluke, we are too intelligent, and not strong enough to survive without advanced intelligence, so we should have died in our early stages of evolution.
And that's exactly the point I'm tryin to make, thanks biohazard
Except that he's wrong. With our intelligence we didn't need to be exceptionally strong or have natural defenses beyond an immune system.
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Did you know that the human brain is the perfect design for intelligence (within the realm of brains)? Any bigger, and we wouldn't be able to process information as fast, meaning it would be less efficient. It's actually impossible to improve, unless you want to talk about cybernetics.
And with such a beautiful creation, it's so disorientating that stupid threads like this manage happen.
As members of the animal kingdom, we are pretty pathetic come to think of it.
Well, feel free to put yourself into that category, as I am doing with you after reading your posts, but please don't take the same courtesy with myself or others.
We are some of the weakest, slowest, clumsiest, most defensless animals on the planet. So how the hell are we dominating the entire planet? Technicaly, we should be hiding in caves, narrowly escaping death by the fangs and claws of a more dominant animal, like the tiger or lion.
I'm sorry, seen a gun lately? We have the most power gift of all animals: the power of creation.
Does our intelect really make such a difference?
Yours? No. The rest of mankind; well, yeah, I thought that was obvious ???
yes, but our evolution has taken us millions of years. We weren't so smart back then... and still we managed to survive. What I'm saying is: our intelect was meant to prevent us from being wiped out, not dominate everything.
Says who? What happens when a sentient being enters the playing field? We can only take our own example, as that is the only one we can observe so far, which would have to tell you that domination is the natural path!
We are a fluke, we are too intelligent, and not strong enough to survive without advanced intelligence, so we should have died in our early stages of evolution.
Right about the fluke, as high intelligence is not needed for a creature to survive, it may not even be a desirable thing to happen in stages of evolution, but as Saladin said, we do not need strong arms to survive; our intellect is strong enough.
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I'm sorry, seen a gun lately? We have the most power gift of all animals: the power of creation.
Nice.
WE humans to put it very simply so you inferior minds can comprehend, is the only species on Earth that not only can protect ourselves, but also able to save all other species in this world.
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We are a fluke, we are too intelligent, and not strong enough to survive without advanced intelligence, so we should have died in our early stages of evolution.
This world was built on trial and error, remember that.
Evolution is based on trial and error, we mutate in a variety of ways, depending on our ancestors, when evolution realized that intellect could be the best tool to defend ourselves with, and this was i'm sure, because of trial and error, the incompetent or less intelligent ones died off, not knowing how to fend for themselves. eventually we became intelligent enough to know that not helping someone who was on the verge of death was not right, we started helping the "intellectually challenged", so we kinda beat Evolution on that part. ah! and same goes for certain physical characteristics people of different regions are born with, darker skinned people are more suited to desert-like climates since they've adapted to it. as we move to colder regions, people become lighter-skinned since we don't need as much protection from the sun, we kinda lose what we don't use.
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Evolution is not a thing that realizes things, and it can't be tricked or beaten. It is a process, that's all.
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Evolution is a process of trial and error, the good genes keep evolving, while the bad or useless ones die off, so intelligence could be presumed as genetic, if the smart person lives on while the less intelligent dies off, then the intelligent one goes on to father more with the gene for intelligence ( or brain size, if considered) while the dead one rots away and is unable to carry on the out of date gene.
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Evolution is a process of trial and error, the good genes keep evolving, while the bad or useless ones die off, so intelligence could be presumed as genetic, if the smart person lives on while the less intelligent dies off, then the intelligent one goes on to father more with the gene for intelligence ( or brain size, if considered) while the dead one rots away and is unable to carry on the out of date gene.
Evolution has to do with adapting to the current situation, not constant improvement as it sounds like you're implying. Animals aren't 'better' then their last evolutionary link, they simply are more adapted.
But perhaps I misread what you meant, is that the case ?_?
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lol yea kinda I said Evolution is a process of trial and error, if evolution screws up somewhere, the gene dies off by natural selection, the one that actually comes in handy stays. if that didnt clear things up, yea i think i don't know what i'm saying >_<
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Maybe you shouldn't write posts like a dumb AIM obsessed schoolgirl.
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And maybe you shouldn't write posts like a bitter old man.
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Non sequiturs are my least favorite.
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lol yea kinda I said Evolution is a process of trial and error, if evolution screws up somewhere, the gene dies off by natural selection, the one that actually comes in handy stays. if that didnt clear things up, yea i think i don't know what i'm saying >_<
he is perfectly correct. My biology teacher said this last year. It's simple
Say the tree that a few giraffes eat from is really tall. If one guy has a short neck he will die.
Its kinda like that, but much more complicated
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In terms of biomass, roaches or worms or seaweed or something are the true lords of this world.
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I cant see roaches or worms, but I could definetly see coral or seaweed.
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You're all wrong. Bacteria win >:|
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The answer is that evolution is false.
I laugh at the thought of people actually believing that they
were once bacteria. We are considered mammals, but we are
not descendants of animals. Anyways if you have read the news lately
the theory of Evolution is being challenged because it doesn't make sense.
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lolwut?
Evolution makes no sense? Bullshit. And as opposed to what, anyways, Creationism? And haha oh wow, evolution's being CHALLENGED?! ON THE NEWS?! By who? A collection of idiots and preachers, dir.
Stop posting, it makes me nauseous.
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Phh. Your ideals are sold out by Communism.
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Ignore her really. She's pretty much spamming in order to get her post count up to 30 so she can post her small, freely hosted forum =x
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Perhaps rather then simply posting that evolution is a joke, you can tell us why that is? Or perhaps it's because you tend to follow every little thing you hear in place of learning the answer yourself...
Do you even have a point? Make it, tell us why it is so plain to see that evolution is nothing more the a charade. Enlighten us, please!
Any other pointless posts? They will be deleted.
[shit posts split and sent to spam]
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It is simple
One day, Stalin made the fish jump out of the water and follow him.
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Blackzone, I like your thinking. I think you may be on to something with that whole Stalin thing.
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Perhaps rather then simply posting that evolution is a joke, you can tell us why that is? Or perhaps it's because you tend to follow every little thing you hear in place of learning the answer yourself...
Do you even have a point? Make it, tell us why it is so plain to see that evolution is nothing more the a charade. Enlighten us, please!
Any other pointless posts? They will be deleted.
[shit posts split and sent to spam]
Since you asked here is a whole list why I don't believe in Evolution.
https://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i3/news.asp
Why cant'y more of you be nice like Deliciously_Saucy instead of just
jumping me yeesh.
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Because we hate you. She was being sarcastic, you are steadily getting on my nerves, and deserve a good rape to know your place.
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Since you asked here is a whole list why I don't believe in Evolution.
https://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i3/news.asp
Why cant'y more of you be nice like Deliciously_Saucy instead of just
jumping me yeesh.
[/quote]I lold so incredibly hard when I saw the website you linked to.
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Well I dont believe it because its all Christianty.
I believe it because it makes sense scientifically.
And I don't particularlly want to be the descendant of
some blob.
Remember Christianity and Evolution are both just theories
in retrospect and you can believe in whatever one you so choose,
or none at all. It takes just as much faith to believe in any type of religion as it does
to believe in Evolution.
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Faith is backed up by measurable and physical properties. Your website says that we are more related to dolphins? That was the first hint that the website was bullshit, what do you look more like, an aquatic dolphin? or a semi bipedal primate with very close DNA? thats what I thought. The other hint the website was bullshit was every other word.
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Why? Blob > you.
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Blob > you.
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Well, I wasn't being sarcastic but I was certainly being patronising...
Since you asked here is a whole list why I don't believe in Evolution.
https://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i3/news.asp
Why cant'y more of you be nice like Deliciously_Saucy instead of just
jumping me yeesh.
It's funny, I could tell you right now the reasons as to why I believe in evolution; because I looked for the answers myself I don't rely on others to tell me how to think.
If you solely need other people to tell you why you believe in something, then I truly don't think you're in a position to debate, let alone mock others for their beliefs, in which I would have to assume you know nothing about.
Well I dont believe it because its all Christianty.
I believe it because it makes sense scientifically.
LOL, do you even understand the process that scientific theories go through..? I would have to think not, in fact I'm surprised you even spelled "scientifically" correctly.
And I don't particularlly want to be the descendant of
some blob.
So you don't believe in something because you don't like the implications of it despite the heavy empirical evidence in its favour..?
Remember Christianity and Evolution are both just theories
Christianity is a theory in the same way the Muslim faith is a theory, or the same way the Mormon faith is a theory, hell! Let's throw Zeus in this giant mix of scientific theories while we're at it! They all have the same amount of scientific support in their correctness!
Wrong with the second one, evolution isn't a theory, it moved past that point some time ago. Evolution is now labeled a 'scientific fact'. "What is that?" you may ask. Well the difference between a full stop fact and a scientific fact is a pinch of modesty, you see unlike your guys (Christians) science is willing to admit that while they're pretty much 100% sure this is a fact, they also admit that they may be wrong, in the same way they may be wrong about the *cough* "theory of gravity", because after all it would only take one person once to drop an apple and have it fall upwards to disprove that little doozy (believe me, Christians have been trying to do this for years!).
I'm afraid the only things that claim they are 100% right about something are religions.
in retrospect and you can believe in whatever one you so choose,
or none at all.
Yes you can! That's the great thing about freedom, you can believe in absolutely anything. Like if I was to believe that the earth was flat, I could! That doesn't mean I won't be labeled a moron for it, but the important thing is that you can if you wish to. Great huh?
It takes just as much faith to believe in any type of religion as it does
to believe in Evolution.
Right, because it was probably God who implanted all of these fossils in the ground, just to to bring out the non-believers! Amirite?
No, it does not take the same amount of faith to believe in evolution compared to Christianity. Evolution has empirical evidence, Christianity has none.
People are not attacking you because you have different views to us, you are being attacked because you clearly have no clue as to what your talking about and you mock ideas you know nothing about.
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Because we hate you. She was being sarcastic, you are steadily getting on my nerves, and deserve a good rape to know your place.
Biohazard, I no longer dislike you. :bean:
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I didn't read ALL the posts but I'll still express my views. Evolution IS true, and I think we have enough proof. With the bones we have discovered, and our dating techniques, we can tell how we evolved, not only whether or not.(I think). Also, humans were quite strong when we were a little stupid. When we began to evolve intelligence as humans as a result of a fluke(weather changes in Africa), our need to be sturdy reduced. When we did get intelligent, our need to be strong reduced. It's like muscles- don't use them and they atrophy. So as we got more and more intelligent, we needed to use our strength lesser and lesser, and so today, we have reached the state in which we currently are. That's what I think.
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Biohazard, I no longer dislike you. :bean:
What did you dislike me for?
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Biohazard, I no longer dislike you. :bean:
What did you dislike me for?
You did something a while ago, but I kinda forgot what it was. : \
So I guess your no longer neutral with me? :mex:
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Awesome.
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Well, I wasn't being sarcastic but I was certainly being patronising...
Since you asked here is a whole list why I don't believe in Evolution.
https://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i3/news.asp
Why cant'y more of you be nice like Deliciously_Saucy instead of just
jumping me yeesh.
It's funny, I could tell you right now the reasons as to why I believe in evolution; because I looked for the answers myself I don't rely on others to tell me how to think.
If you solely need other people to tell you why you believe in something, then I truly don't think you're in a position to debate, let alone mock others for their beliefs, in which I would have to assume you know nothing about.
Well I dont believe it because its all Christianty.
I believe it because it makes sense scientifically.
LOL, do you even understand the process that scientific theories go through..? I would have to think not, in fact I'm surprised you even spelled "scientifically" correctly.
And I don't particularlly want to be the descendant of
some blob.
So you don't believe in something because you don't like the implications of it despite the heavy empirical evidence in its favour..?
Remember Christianity and Evolution are both just theories
Christianity is a theory in the same way the Muslim faith is a theory, or the same way the Mormon faith is a theory, hell! Let's throw Zeus in this giant mix of scientific theories while we're at it! They all have the same amount of scientific support in their correctness!
Wrong with the second one, evolution isn't a theory, it moved past that point some time ago. Evolution is now labeled a 'scientific fact'. "What is that?" you may ask. Well the difference between a full stop fact and a scientific fact is a pinch of modesty, you see unlike your guys (Christians) science is willing to admit that while they're pretty much 100% sure this is a fact, they also admit that they may be wrong, in the same way they may be wrong about the *cough* "theory of gravity", because after all it would only take one person once to drop an apple and have it fall upwards to disprove that little doozy (believe me, Christians have been trying to do this for years!).
I'm afraid the only things that claim they are 100% right about something are religions.
in retrospect and you can believe in whatever one you so choose,
or none at all.
Yes you can! That's the great thing about freedom, you can believe in absolutely anything. Like if I was to believe that the earth was flat, I could! That doesn't mean I won't be labeled a moron for it, but the important thing is that you can if you wish to. Great huh?
It takes just as much faith to believe in any type of religion as it does
to believe in Evolution.
Right, because it was probably God who implanted all of these fossils in the ground, just to to bring out the non-believers! Amirite?
No, it does not take the same amount of faith to believe in evolution compared to Christianity. Evolution has empirical evidence, Christianity has none.
People are not attacking you because you have different views to us, you are being attacked because you clearly have no clue as to what your talking about and you mock ideas you know nothing about.
Yes I do know about the scientific procedures.
Anyways I did learn all about Evolution and I just couldn't get into
it. I took a whole year of it and I just couldn't accept that as truth.
It's fine for you if you want to believe it. And about me making fun of
the bacteria thing you could make fun of Jesus or whatever and it wouldn't offend me.
I was kidding around with you anyways, theres no reason to get upset at me for that.
I do know what I'm talking about. I must admit that Evolution is an interesting concept,
but it's just not the right belief for me. If you could tell me why you believe in Evolution then
I may be able to try to understand why you believe it is true. Another thing is that
I don't follow whatever people say like if a preacher said you can't drink or a that President
Clinton was the Antichrist or something stupid like that then I wouldn't believe that either.
I dislike people who are mindless zombies and follow whatever a person in power says.
I enjoy having my own ideas and beliefs and don't follow the crowd because they think its right or wrong.
I find things out for myself.
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Clinton? the devil? That was nixon, seriously, he was satan. What have you found out for yourself?
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Because we all know BlackRavenScar isn't some suburbanite from New York who is abused by her father and her only way of emotional release is the internet where she finds forums and posts on them about how her life sucks, hitting the enter/return bar every time she types 5 letters, but infact she is a college professor on Darwinism.
And, I am still saying, one day, Stalin made the fish jump out of the water and started becoming little fish stick communists. :\
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BlackRavenScar is non-comformist. I applaud her for having the guts to stand against the crowd, be her own person, and not let noone tell her otherwise!
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Oh hoh boy when she reads that she will be ecstatic. :\
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Sorry to disappoint but I'm not.
Anyways I am still waiting for your response as to
why you believe in evolution.
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Sorry to disappoint but I'm not.
Anyways I am still waiting for your response as to
why you believe in evolution.
We believe in evolution because there is proof. You believe otherwise because you are a masturbator who gets off on the idea that god made you special.
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Sorry to disappoint but I'm not.
Anyways I am still waiting for your response as to
why you believe in evolution.
We believe in evolution because there is proof. You believe otherwise because you are a masturbator who gets off on the idea that god made you special.
You should read her poetry.
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LOL Oh boy this is great.
A person who doesn't believe in evolution because they dont want to "follow the crowd"
What a rebel. LOL
But yeah I believe in Evolution because it is based on proven facts.
It is easy to see where we came from.
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It is easy to see where we came from.
We evolved from dolphins apparently, so the whole idea of evolution is wrong. Even though we evolved from them.
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We evolved from dolphins apparently
explain how that works
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Ok, let me combine the two arguments and explain how you all are both wrong.
Evolution happens, what it does is it weeds out the weak animals/people in a large group. This allows for the animals/people to get more good traits and less bad ones. That is ESSENTIALLY evolution.
But, God did make everybody special, he made us in his own image. That means we all kinda look like him.
We did not evolve from other creatures, we ourselves evolved into what we are today.
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We evolved from dolphins apparently, so the whole idea of evolution is wrong. Even though we evolved from them.
Joking ?_? if not: no, we can't have evolved from an already existing species, perhaps you meant that we had a common ancestor with them..?
Ok, let me combine the two arguments and explain how you all are both wrong.
Evolution happens, what it does is it weeds out the weak animals/people in a large group. This allows for the animals/people to get more good traits and less bad ones. That is ESSENTIALLY evolution.
But, God did make everybody special, he made us in his own image. That means we all kinda look like him.
We did not evolve from other creatures, we ourselves evolved into what we are today.
Thank you for enlightening us. But evolution directly goes against the Christian (and many other) ideas of creation.
Christians say the planet is 6000 years old, if you believe in that then the only way evolution would work going by current counted species would be by something called Super Evolution (something used by creationist to explain away the time problem with current natural selection mechanics).
The basic idea is that god gave animals special tools to help them rapidly evolve after the world flood, which may sound plausible enough, excluding that the rate of evolution to account for the change in species would be about (on average) 200 000-300 000x more then what the rate of evolution is now.
A rate fast enough to kill any animal put through it. Of course that's not even mentioning: if gods willing to manipulate in our affairs on such a heavy level, why not just magically 'make shit right' instantly rather then causing a world flood..?
Evolution is a direct bane to your god, the only option for you is to deny it, or deny many, many parts of your holy book. Denial of one thing or the other seems to be the norm amongst Xians anyway nowa days, so you mays well...
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VntFEWF8I8A
This video is about the earlier posts to this topic.
(I know I have posted this video Twice but its understandable)
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a great post
Sometimes you make good posts. However, I believe our esteemed Dr. Hovind referred to "super evolution" as 'variation' in order to avoid the EVIL E word.
Now that's creationist logic! It's like Nintendo logic but BETTER.
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I don't think I was clear, PART of eveloution is correct, God but us all on the Earth, but then we evolved into some thing better.
And about the flood, he wanted to teach future generations about how he is not going to destroy the world before it is supposed. As for the animals, lets say, in the very beginning that lions did eat animals. That includes humans, if they lions had eaten Adam and/or Eve, we would be toast.
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if they lions had eaten Adam and/or Eve, we would be toast.
Not really, since there is no definite proof that Adam and/or Eve existed
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I don't think I was clear, PART of eveloution is correct, God but us all on the Earth, but then we evolved into some thing better.
And about the flood, he wanted to teach future generations about how he is not going to destroy the world before it is supposed. As for the animals, lets say, in the very beginning that lions did eat animals. That includes humans, if they lions had eaten Adam and/or Eve, we would be toast.
Oh my bad, I see your a Xian that already denies/ignores parts that clash with your religion, feel free to ignore/deny that last post of mine.
So "part" of evolution is correct? Has your advanced study of geology and biology lead you to this conclusion? Perhaps you would like to tell us the method in which you came to the decision that happens to go against the majority of the scientific community, people who have spent their live researching this theory?
Do you have a judgment on the quantum theory and relativity, or the space time flux? If not, how can you make a judgment on evolution? It's in the same level of complexness, it uses the same scientific method and has just as much evidence, please do tell.
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I don't think I was clear, PART of eveloution is correct, God but us all on the Earth, but then we evolved into some thing better.
And about the flood, he wanted to teach future generations about how he is not going to destroy the world before it is supposed. As for the animals, lets say, in the very beginning that lions did eat animals. That includes humans, if they lions had eaten Adam and/or Eve, we would be toast.
Yes we would be toast, as if they had been alive then we would all be related, every child would be inbred, in my option i wouldn't choose creationism etc version, not because i believe it's wrong, but 'cus i dont wanna believe im sleeping with a relative =/
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Look, I heard it from my christian biology teacher.
I completly believe in the Bible.
But the parts of evolution that do not clash with the Bible are true, that is what Im trying to say
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the parts of evolution that do not clash with the Bible are true, that is what Im trying to say
The parts of evolution that do clash with the Bible have also been proven true.
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The bible says that mankind came from a man and a woman, who had 3 male children... what dose that tell you about the bible?
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sodomy?
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I do not believe in evolution but there is something in Evolution that I completely agree with.
That there are deformities and that DNA changes because everything changes with time.
But, the DNA will only slightly change from what it was originally. But I don't believe that it will
change a fish into a bird. I understand when you say there is proof that Evolution is real.
Would you mind listing some of those evidences that will support your theory/truth?
Whichever one you so choose to call it.
And to your statement about how they only had male children,
well its not to hard to figure out.
Either Adam and Eve had a daughter and she had sex with her brothers
or Eve had sex with her sons and they had daughters.
Get it?
Some people might find that concept disturbing but sometimes you gotta do what it takes to
populate the Earth.
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omg... ;-;
Will all of these morons please kill themselves.
I'm out :(
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And to your statement about how they only had male children,
well its not to hard to figure out.
Either Adam and Eve had a daughter and she had sex with her brothers
or Eve had sex with her sons and they had daughters.
Get it?
Some people might find that concept disturbing but sometimes you gotta do what it takes to
populate the Earth.
Or maybe we just came from more than just two people, and did not have to resort to inbreeding
to populate the planet. Y'know, the evolution theory and all?
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Maybe.
But when you think about it we are all related whether
you believe in Evolution or Creation.
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That I can agree on...
We are all related, because we came from the same anscestor, but those ties are diluted.
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Yeah, and when a guy fucks his sheep he's actually fucking one of his distant cousins.
INCESTUOUS!
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Yeah, and when a guy fucks his sheep he's actually fucking one of his distant cousins.
INCESTUOUS!
Incestuous gets the best of us.
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And to your statement about how they only had male children,
well its not to hard to figure out.
Either Adam and Eve had a daughter and she had sex with her brothers
or Eve had sex with her sons and they had daughters.
Get it?
Some people might find that concept disturbing but sometimes you gotta do what it takes to
populate the Earth.
Extended inbreeding produces sick kids and retards. You need a starting group of, what, 50 humans to produce a viable population?
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Extended inbreeding produces sick kids and retards. You need a starting group of, what, 50 humans to produce a viable population?
Wasn't that found to be completely based on myth?
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Extended inbreeding produces sick kids and retards. You need a starting group of, what, 50 humans to produce a viable population?
Wasn't that found to be completely based on myth?
Uh, no?
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Extended inbreeding produces sick kids and retards. You need a starting group of, what, 50 humans to produce a viable population?
Wasn't that found to be completely based on myth?
Rofl, wait the incest produces deformed children part?? Hahaha
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Yes, wasn't it found to be false?
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Some disorders (usually the pretty bad/rare ones) are only expressed through the parents having a recessive gene and both of them passing it on to the offspring. The chances of that between two non-related people is much more slim, than between two related people (2 related people have similar genetics and might both be carriers of the recessive gene). Of course, while a sister might have the recessive gene, the brother may not, and its just as rare as two unrelated people. However, I'm pretty sure that's where the idea of deformed/retarded/etc. children through incest comes up. Through phermones, physical appearance, etc. we instinctively seek out a mate that is different than us, especially when it comes to immune system. Plus the whole instinct of expanding the gene pool. Of course, our gene pool as a species is pretty broad right now the way it is, so social factors play more of a part in one's aversion to incest -- screwing up family dynamics and such.
Anyway, to be vaguely on topic, I'm in the boat that says two people didn't just spring up and make babies, incest, etc. to populate the earth. Although that goes hand in hand with evolution and there's no way to really argue it from a Creationists standpoint. And Evolution will never be proven -- science doesn't prove, it just eliminates other possibilities. Creationism/God/etc. are impossible to disprove (or prove for that matter, as there is nothing tangible/measurable about them), which means its "possibility" cannot be disproven scientifically. Of course, nothing in science is absolutely 100%, but I think sometimes its necessary to make assumptions as a scientists or we'd all be sitting here believing in absolutely nothing and being completely unsure about everything around us.
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Some disorders (usually the pretty bad/rare ones) are only expressed through the parents having a recessive gene and both of them passing it on to the offspring. The chances of that between two non-related people is much more slim, than between two related people (2 related people have similar genetics and might both be carriers of the recessive gene). Of course, while a sister might have the recessive gene, the brother may not, and its just as rare as two unrelated people. However, I'm pretty sure that's where the idea of deformed/retarded/etc. children through incest comes up. Through phermones, physical appearance, etc. we instinctively seek out a mate that is different than us, especially when it comes to immune system. Plus the whole instinct of expanding the gene pool. Of course, our gene pool as a species is pretty broad right now the way it is, so social factors play more of a part in one's aversion to incest -- screwing up family dynamics and such.
Anyway, to be vaguely on topic, I'm in the boat that says two people didn't just spring up and make babies, incest, etc. to populate the earth. Although that goes hand in hand with evolution and there's no way to really argue it from a Creationists standpoint. And Evolution will never be proven -- science doesn't prove, it just eliminates other possibilities. Creationism/God/etc. are impossible to disprove (or prove for that matter, as there is nothing tangible/measurable about them), which means its "possibility" cannot be disproven scientifically. Of course, nothing in science is absolutely 100%, but I think sometimes its necessary to make assumptions as a scientists or we'd all be sitting here believing in absolutely nothing and being completely unsure about everything around us.
Can you please stop being 100% correct and saying everything in such a perfectly eloquent way? You're making me look like a tongue-tied fool.
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I had a good answer, but the conversation has taken a turn in which I have no knowledge, people doing animals :=:
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It's 'cus BlAcKrAvEnScAr had to defened the fact that eve was a whore who did her son's.
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Well, technically, when Adam had sex and produced children w/ Eve, he was actually doing himself.
Seeing as how the female was "made from his rib" and all.
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Ok is there anything in the bible thats actually believable?
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Not that I know of.
Let's also remember that:
Man was made from earth.
Jews are evil.
Certain people can walk on water.
If you have sex you'd go to hell. (in some extreme orthodox cases)
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Im going to point something out, they almost never mention females (yeah, I know, Eve, read the whole damn post plz) so who said that they didn't have daughters. At that point, I don't think it would have been possible not to do your sister. AND, it said Cane (son of Adam) married some chick from some other land.
And sex is NOT evil, just sex outside of marriage.
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As members of the animal kingdom, we are pretty pathetic come to think of it. We are some of the weakest, slowest, clumsiest, most defensless animals on the planet. So how the hell are we dominating the entire planet? Technicaly, we should be hiding in caves, narrowly escaping death by the fangs and claws of a more dominant animal, like the tiger or lion. Does our intelect really make such a difference?
it is not right too look at the human race and compare it too an animal today like years ago all humans are born different we like different things we are intrested in sport when others in reading and on and on some people are born stronger and taller than others and the others are born smarter we lived and dominated over these years by a good combination of brains and braun where as all animals are born identical with the same animal instincts just to look for food people combined their strenght and cunning to rise above simple animals
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I like how some people here are pointing out random (and some made-up) aspects of Christianity as if they disprove the whole thing. Why are so many people hung up on Jesus walking on water? If you accept the initial premise that he was the son of God then his walking on water isn't so amazing, and if you want to disprove it then you should argue against his divinity instead of going "Pfft! Walking on water? Christianity is a sham!"
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Im going to point something out, they almost never mention females (yeah, I know, Eve, read the whole damn post plz) so who said that they didn't have daughters. At that point, I don't think it would have been possible not to do your sister. AND, it said Cane (son of Adam) married some chick from some other land.
And sex is NOT evil, just sex outside of marriage.
Okay, but doesn't the bible say that god made the FIRST people, Adam and Eve? There is no mention of any other people, so that means that they were already there.... making them INDIGENOUS.
Also, I'm not opposing your religion in any way, it just makes too little sense, as most other religions.
Basically I'm not open to blind faith.
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A lot of people (and the Christians I tend to get along with better) don't take the Bible literally. They take the stories as sort-of Aesop fables. And if you read the Bible that way, there are some decent morals (by certain definitions) offered. Its really easy to dismiss everything mentioned in the Bible if you think God really came down, snatched one of Adam's ribs and made a woman out of it.
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Yeah, one thing that Christianity has are good morals. Then again so do all other religions,
even Satanism apparently.
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Wow I defiantly don't believe that having sex makes you go to hell.
I don't believe in damning some person just because they make mistakes.
We all do and really even if someone did have sex why should anyone care?
I mean it is their business. Some people think that drinking sends you to hell,
but don't believe that because that's ridiculous. Jesus drank wine and there is wine in
heaven apparently. XD A girl in my class thinks that drinking send you to hell.
Which I find funny, but anyways however you look at it from either point of view
there was a bunch of random sex that populated the earth as it is today.
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The only religion with good morals is Hinduism. Hooray for the Caste System, Racism, and spiritual trancendance! Acutally, European Paganism is the same, so that's cool too, and Japanese Shinto, but Japan is queer so fuck that.
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As members of the animal kingdom, we are pretty pathetic come to think of it. We are some of the weakest, slowest, clumsiest, most defensless animals on the planet. So how the hell are we dominating the entire planet? Technicaly, we should be hiding in caves, narrowly escaping death by the fangs and claws of a more dominant animal, like the tiger or lion. Does our intelect really make such a difference?
we are highly intelligent 1
we make highly dangerous weapons...nikes atom boms hydrogen bombs guns...come on
we are so powerful we take the animals and put them in a zoo...we actully help them
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As members of the animal kingdom, we are pretty pathetic come to think of it. We are some of the weakest, slowest, clumsiest, most defensless animals on the planet. So how the hell are we dominating the entire planet? Technicaly, we should be hiding in caves, narrowly escaping death by the fangs and claws of a more dominant animal, like the tiger or lion. Does our intelect really make such a difference?
we are highly intelligent 1
we make highly dangerous weapons...nikes atom boms hydrogen bombs guns...come on
we are so powerful we take the animals and put them in a zoo...we actully help them
I really don't know if the mis-spelled words are sarcasm or not. o.O;;
You should all read Life of Pi, it explains everything.
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its misspeled but i dnt care abput my speeling on forums...unless its unreadble
somtimes i do it on purpose...and sarcasum
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its misspeled but i dnt care abput my speeling on forums...unless its unreadble
somtimes i do it on purpose...and sarcasum
You just added "sarcasum" because I suggested it.
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In my opinion, creativity is the only thing that separates us from animals, I mean animals have to be intelligent to some extent in order to hunt for their food and care for their offspring. Creativity is like a hardware accelerator for intelligence, without it, the hardware being used is still usable, but would be slower than if the hardware accelerator was implemented on the hardware being used. In other words, Creativity is an enhancement of intelligence, I think that's what really separates us from animals. of course creativity would have been a fluke that surged rapidly because of its succession in
natural selection. of course this is all speculation on my part,
P.S. Stay on topic, go talk about spelling and grammar on another part of the forum, as long as what they're saying is clear, there shouldn't be a problem.
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Wow, so that's what happens when you don't go online for a week!
I don't know what the fuck is going on
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sorry, just happens lol.
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In my opinion, creativity is the only thing that separates us from animals,
Humans aren't separate from animals.
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My personal beliefs are that we are not separate from animals at all, simply a more unique animal. We cannot be separated from them so long as we are the same type of biological organism. Think of the difference between a fish and a bird, then think of the difference between us and an ape. The two differences are very close. So does that mean that fish and birds aren't both "animals?" No, not really.
And as for our intelligence, all it is is our ability to override our bestial instincts with our own will with much more ease than other animals, giving us the ability of higher free will and the ability to make decisions at a much higher level than "I'm thirsty, I think I'll drink some water right in front of me with all the dirt in it," and to make wrong decisions and find out that they are bad decisions, then stray from that same instinctual path of misjudgment and "learn." That is the difference between us and other species.
And there is my extended beliefs on the subject.
As for my beliefs on where humanity goes next, I'm thinking of something similar to Heroes due to our advanced adaptability.
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In my opinion, creativity is the only thing that separates us from animals,
Humans aren't separate from animals.
fine rephrase, it's the only thing that makes us different in the slightest way to animals.
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its misspeled but i dnt care abput my speeling on forums...unless its unreadble
somtimes i do it on purpose...and sarcasum
You just added "sarcasum" because I suggested it.
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no i said somtimz but not this time i juz didnt care
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Poor spelling does nothing but make you look like an idiot, once you've typed for a while, you'll get fast enough at it that the only difference is that you look dumb if you don't.
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Humans are animals, that is a stated fact.
You'll have also forgotten something, other animals are fearful of us.
Another good reason were not dead.
And even before than, no living animal ate each other (including us)
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The first Men and Woman had the people of the 12th planet Nibiru guiding and protecting them... It was this race of Aliens that made Man kind as we know it by taking the DNA from the most advanced Primates at the time and cross matching it with their own, making a Hybrid, with more strength than them.
Here watch this:-
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That explains how we survived !!
At least that's one theory... Mine is Snails have surived, and they are slower than us and less intelligent...
Life finds away... LOL
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that theory was off a film wasn't it?
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that theory was off a film wasn't it?
Hell, it's more believable than a book written 500 years after said event, and has been re-written a hell of allot of times after.
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yeah, i'll give you that :D
the thing people seem to fail to understand is that the bible has been written by man, to benifit a man at the time it was written