Elitist Debate is a place for serious discussion and debate. It can be hard at times to decide if something should be placed in this forum or otherwise, and sometimes this can be changed depending on how the thread unfolds. Basically, if you can imagine an argument arising over it, it is best to post it here.
For the rules covered in this guide, in the order of which they appear, here is a list:
Elitist Debate Rules
- There IS NO SUCH THING as the I'm Right Argument
- Do Respect Other People's Beliefs
- There is a Difference Between Flaming and Beliefs
- Grammar & Spelling
- What Can You Post/What Can't You Post
Elitist Debate Rules and Notes:
Sources & the "There IS NO SUCH THING as the I'm Right Argument"If you say something is a fact, prove it if you can. Show a source. If you can't find a source, that's fine as long as you present it as your opinion. Saying someone is an idiot for not seeing things the way you do without a convincing argument, including sourced materials, is not going to get you very far. In fact, chances are it will dampen your arguments.
Also make sure you read your sources properly. And check what your sources actually are. A Christian cannot prove certain things as "fact" using christian articles as "proof", for example.
Do Respect Other People's BeliefsWe don't all pray to the same figure, or even pray to begin with. We are a global forum, whether you like to believe it or not. We, as a collective member base, come from multiple cultures from around the world, have different political theories and practices. We come from different economical backgrounds, we come from different social classes. Taboo to you may be second nature to somebody else, so please be respectful. Your funny beliefs make us laugh just as much as ours make you, but that's no reason for everyone to wipe dirt all over it.
There is a Difference Between Flaming and BeliefsIf someone has a different thought than you on a particular topic, and I can't stress this enough, and they happen to think your way is a bit wrong compared to theres, it doesn't signify they are attacking you. Sure, people will get naturally defensive about their core beliefs. But unless they actually flamed or trolled you, or another, there is nothing wrong there.
Grammar & SpellingNow, we're not all English professors, and many of us don't speak the language natively, so naturally some give exists, but this board is a mature and serious forum. As such a certain level of, let's call it professionalism, is warranted. Simply put, do your best to convey your point as clear and proper as humanly possible. Discouraging any argument you may have by typing it so incoherently is only going to get you ignored.
Links, Images, and Media Based ArgumentsSome people think it's clever to post a video and walk away, others find it annoying.
Not everyone can view video where they are when viewing this site, and it can cause problems for others. By using a video you are not debating a topic to anyone who'll listen, but only those who simply felt like clicking the url.
On the other hand, using the video as an extra, or as your source if you quoted from it, is perfectly fine. You may have an argument, and feel that a video file could clear in the gaps or enforce it, which is perfectly fine. However do not - and I repeat do not - simply type in a URL and walk away. Before posting, remove all images, links to other sites, or video links, and see if your post is worth posting. If not, revise. If so, the you are in the clear.
What Can You Post/What Can't You PostThe easiest way to answer this is to look around and see what other people post. There is often a case where someone posts what should have been a General Discussion topic in the Symposium, and vice-versa of course. Generally speaking, if there is no real debate to the topic, it is not an ED worthy post. While ED doesn't have to include debate topics always, it would be a rare occurrence.
This is win.
Fuck these stupid ass rules. I'll post what I want, when I want.
Edit: dildos.
Stop being such a cunt.
I would say I agree with you, but it's against the rules.
Quote from: Saladin on May 30, 2007, 08:27:58 PM
Fuck these stupid ass rules. I'll post what I want, when I want.
Edit: dildos.
You see, we have these little delete buttons, making your attempts rather vain. These rules where agreed upon by the moderators and administrators, get over it.
[edit] Perhaps if you had read the bottom part it would tell you veterans of the debating section are given a lot of tolerance to the rules, that would include you moron. This is basically here for the newer members.
Well, it's their opinion. Post whatever you want just don't make it as if you pulled it out of your ass and are trying to hurt someone.
<3 Saucy
<3 rules
<3 nightwolf
Quote from: Kate on May 31, 2007, 03:15:43 AMYou see, we have these little delete buttons, making your attempts rather vain. These rules where agreed upon by the moderators and administrators, get over it.
[edit] Perhaps if you had read the bottom part it would tell you veterans of the debating section are given a lot of tolerance to the rules, that would include you moron. This is basically here for the newer members.
Whatever.
Edit: these rules are shit as long as ellipses are allowed.
lol how angsty
When was the last time you tried to insult someone without sounding like an idiot and being way off the mark?
I don't know, I don't insult people often. Just people that really irritate me.
But come on. The whole "fuck the rules I'll do what I want" and "whatever" thing has teen angst and rage written all over it. :)
Wait wait wait. Was I the veteran idiot? If so, harsh, if not, WHY ARENT I A VETERAN! I LOST A LEG HERE!
Whoever changed the forum name to "Elitist Debate" is my hero.
Now Saladin actually belongs in this forum!
Good Call on the name change...
hahaha
about time. Now to execute my plan to have it moved into spam
I think after the The world we live in thread and the Threads started by me stop getting activity I might keep out of ID... It seems when ever I add some of my open minded flights of fantasy within a topic they close, get moved, or people just stop posting in them... Either I am killing them, or people don't know how to respond to some one that thinks outside of the realms of normality, May be we need a free thoughts area, creative thinking... Or just a Mental Asylum in my case... Either way ID or ED as it is now I don't thinks the right place for me.
I might start posting in the ED forums now. I forgot that it existed for about a month or so. I hope I don't get banned for being dumb. ;9
Due to how he handled a conversation / warning froma particular mod, saladin is banned from ID for a while :)
I am nolonger going to post in ID... I resign from the area...
I have been missquoted and to a degree picked on within the area... I raised some good topics, and all I have had is hostility, I have given supporting video evidence that's been disregarded and treated as Magic rather than science.
I just can't be asked any more to repeat myself over and over, when the first post is abundantly clear.
I did enjoy religious debates with DS, but they always turn from religion to Evolution...
All topic's within ID seem to change when people have nothing more to add they atack or take the topic in another direction.
It seems if you don't agree with DS, your autmoatically stupid, and pretty much every would rather side with her than be branded as such.
Take for example my You Tube topic, I had PM's after telling me how right I was, but they didn't want to support me as the debate was to one sided in the other direction.
What I am saying is you can't debate with DS... She is right and you are wrong, end of... And I am fed up of trying to give reason to narrow minded people.
I leave you with this:-
[youtube=425,350]M5mjN32G1iI[/youtube]
Damn fucking straight.
<------ God.
Quote from: landofshadows on August 02, 2007, 12:02:13 PM
I am nolonger going to post in ID... I resign from the area...
Just thought I'd quote that.
Geez saucy, I mean, I agree with you on the subjects you were debating on that's made this happen, but you can do it without being, basically, a cunt.
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Can't we all just get along?
I can debate with and show my opposite side to something with LoS without berating him or outright calling him retarded and suggesting he seek mental health treatment (!?) just because he has a difference of opinion.
Sorry, but you're one of, if not THE top person who's given this particular forum the reputation of being a big pissing contest more than Intelligent, civil and calm debate.
I liked seeing that LoS was apparently letting your overzealousness roll off him, though now it looks like he's finally had enough.
In short, cool it already ~_~
The harsher the woman, the better the man.
I was supporting LoS in his topic and getting close to the same reaction. I'm not nearly as patient as he is, though, so I give him major credit for going that far. To me it seems that no matter what the topic is on it always turns to personal attacks just because someone doesn't want to be wrong or they refuse to let someone have the last word.
My experience in that one topic has utterly deterred me from ID.
I was always surprised that LoS kept it up for so long. It shows determination. He always added craziness to every debate and made it more interesting. He will be missed ;D
It's very ineffective to use ad hominem anyway. Even though most of what los says I find ridiculously strange and almost certainly wrong, I always find myself more inclined to defend his side of the argument just because I don't want to be associated with the side who are being assholes. I also think that people who have not already made up their mind tend to get turned off by it too. Well, I've never been very active in ED regardless, so I'll just leave now and stop trying to lecture people like a complete douchebag.
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By the way, LoS, I haven't been twisting your words or putting them in your mouth. This is what you said, and I'm telling you why they are stupid and wrong. You do this shit all the time: write a long-winded post with a YouTube video that totally proves your point except that it doesn't and then when I or someone else proves that you're full of shit you claim that we're putting words in your mouth and change your position to something equally wrong.
Or maybe "ignorant" would be a better word? That's what you are, willfully ignorant. You have learned absolutely nothing from this forum. You refuse to learn anything. You just spam this forum with the same tired shit.
You know you're an embarrassment to atheists and people who think global warming is real, right? You base all your conclusions on stereotypes and the vague opinions of your friends, and you make the groups you side with look like morons when you do. For example: you don't know a single thing about Christianity but you feel free to judge it and all sorts of other things based on what your friend heard about it from another friend, who told him about it a few years ago. All of your opinions are worthless for this reason.
You are a child; you don't know anything except what your parents and friends have told you. You behave like one also, locking threads when they don't go your way. Aren't you ever embarrassed in real life? Hasn't someone ever mocked you for being ignorant? Made you feel bad for thinking and acting the way you do? Someone has to have pointed out your shameful (and near-absolute) ignorance of the world around you, right?
Right?
Quote from: Roph on August 02, 2007, 05:55:11 PM
Geez saucy, I mean, I agree with you on the subjects you were debating on that's made this happen, but you can do it without being, basically, a cunt.
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Can't we all just get along?
I can debate with and show my opposite side to something with LoS without berating him or outright calling him retarded and suggesting he seek mental health treatment (!?) just because he has a difference of opinion.
Sorry, but you're one of, if not THE top person who's given this particular forum the reputation of being a big pissing contest more than Intelligent, civil and calm debate.
I liked seeing that LoS was apparently letting your overzealousness roll off him, though now it looks like he's finally had enough.
In short, cool it already ~_~
You are my god.
I normally am relatively patient with other people, but the last two debates I was in with him was absolutely ridiculous, I was trying to be as calm as possible, as where other members (I believe at least four lost their cool with him during these last debates) but he has gone insane.
Lately it was like debating a fucking wall with him and I stand by all statements I made, including the mental health ones as that is certainly the impression he is giving off at the moment.
He chose to leave, and the reactions he got from myself and other members was his own doing, willfully or not.
Silver sent me a link to this topic... Thanks for the kind words some of you !!
I will PM you guys every now and then with my mini pearl's of wisdom if you liked them so much...LOL
QuoteBy the way, LoS, I haven't been twisting your words or putting them in your mouth. This is what you said, and I'm telling you why they are stupid and wrong. You do this shit all the time: write a long-winded post with a YouTube video that totally proves your point except that it doesn't and then when I or someone else proves that you're full of shit you claim that we're putting words in your mouth and change your position to something equally wrong.
Or maybe "ignorant" would be a better word? That's what you are, willfully ignorant. You have learned absolutely nothing from this forum. You refuse to learn anything. You just spam this forum with the same tired shit.
You know you're an embarrassment to atheists and people who think global warming is real, right? You base all your conclusions on stereotypes and the vague opinions of your friends, and you make the groups you side with look like morons when you do. For example: you don't know a single thing about Christianity but you feel free to judge it and all sorts of other things based on what your friend heard about it from another friend, who told him about it a few years ago. All of your opinions are worthless for this reason.
You are a child; you don't know anything except what your parents and friends have told you. You behave like one also, locking threads when they don't go your way. Aren't you ever embarrassed in real life? Hasn't someone ever mocked you for being ignorant? Made you feel bad for thinking and acting the way you do? Someone has to have pointed out your shameful (and near-absolute) ignorance of the world around you, right?
Right?
LOL...
I am not going to cover all aspects of this post in ID (ED) or on the PM to Jesus Hitler that I am sending.
QuoteThis is what you said, and I'm telling you why they are stupid and wrong.
Your Telling me, Right... Right ?...LOL
And that would mean I am listening to you, and that's just as bad as me listening to my friends to a degree... If you must know most of my mates like me for being off the wall and slightly crazy with my train of thought, I question the norm... there's nothing wrong with that it's called creative thinking, yes it may be wrong in the opinion of most and it's most likely wrong in actual fact, but that doesn't stop me from thinking on the wave length I do... May be I am slightly odd, but that doesn't make me stupid, it makes me different than you... I don't buy what I hear in the media...and do you really think all my friends think the same way as me...?
Nobody thinks in the circles I do, not that I have met any way... I read lots of things like David Ike and the Flat theory, and try to work out what makes them back it so strongly... or the Christians for backing religion blindly... What I have found is there is nothing wrong in backing your faith in some thing...
My Faith however has never been blind faith I do take on board many a thing from the debates, I have learned a fair bit from all of you on here... I am learning that England isn't such a bad place to live for a start.
The bit when you say I am a child, I take that as a good compliment, I hope my imagination never grows up, when your mind grows up you may as well be dead, you become boaring more concerned with facts rather than instinct and common sense... I have my own mind, a creative one... To be honest I left ID (ED) as most of you on here attack people for having a different mind set than you, I on the other hand like looking at different perspectives on subjects.
Take for example evolution... if Evolution gets rid of the bits or improves bits on creatures over many 100's of years, how comes us males still have nipples ?... We don't need them... Simple things like that make me question how solid a theory like evolution is.
Some times thinking outside of the box can be interesting... I never read, listen or watch any thing without skipping bits, I look at every thing... And even if my own Mum promised she was telling me the truth and I didn't think she was I would question it, why, she lied about Santa !!!
People do that, as the truth some times is crap.
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Any way, I still browse ID (ED), I wont be posting there, or if I do it will be if I see a positive change... I may PM people every now and then on some subjects, but other than that, I will stick with the other sneaky snoopers.
Quote from: landofshadows on August 03, 2007, 07:13:12 PM
Silver sent me a link to this topic...
No he didn't. You've been browsing this forum every day since you "left".
QuoteTake for example evolution... if Evolution gets rid of the bits or improves bits on creatures over many 100's of years, how comes us males still have nipples ?... We don't need them... Simple things like that make me question how solid a theory like evolution is.
Wow, that's amazing. Without someone as unique and creative as you nobody would have noticed oddity in male anatomy. Congratulations, you've discovered evolution's most fatal flaw.
This Calvin & Hobbes philosophy of yours doesn't work because you're not smart enough to "think outside of the box". What you're doing is going down a bunch of dead ends in order to impress people. Saying things like "What if Icke is right?" might impress the hell out of your friends and earn you the label of"deep thinker" but I know that you don't do much thinking at all.
Edit: not to say that you've ever read a Calvin & Hobbes strip. Your mind would be too full of brilliant thoughts to finish a whole storyline or a Sunday strip. You probably have K-Pax on DVD, but you still haven't made it to the end where it turns out that Kevin Spacey is nuts.
As you directed some thing at me I will answer, you could just PM me in future:-
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This Calvin & Hobbes philosophy of yours doesn't work because you're not smart enough to "think outside of the box". What you're doing is going down a bunch of dead ends in order to impress people. Saying things like "What if Icke is right?" might impress the hell out of your friends and earn you the label of"deep thinker" but I know that you don't do much thinking at all.
Edit: not to say that you've ever read a Calvin & Hobbes strip. Your mind would be too full of brilliant thoughts to finish a whole storyline or a Sunday strip. You probably have K-Pax on DVD, but you still haven't made it to the end where it turns out that Kevin Spacey is nuts.
I own K-Pax on VCD... But your close enough...LOL
Have you ever thought about becoming a medium, your amazing... A true Gypsy Mystic, I bow to your greatness oh Hitlery Jezus Guru !!!...
All you do is try to guess who I am... You don't have to guess watch these (I have my own Channel):- http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=landofshadows
I had no idea you couldn't judge a person by reading what they have to say. How are blurry videos with bad audio supposed to help?
It shows most of the time me and my mates talk about very similar subject matter as you guys do online, but we do it with many a beer with some wicked music without the petty bickering.
I Enjoyed ID...
(I am the guy towards the end of the vid)
[youtube=425,350]3cMuX8ueU-c[/youtube]
"[...] see, that's the next generation compared to my generation [...] pension [...] free kids."
I can't understand you. Did you record this with a web cam or something?
It's called Northampton Twang... Not many can understand us, it's like the London accent mixed with shit, to be fair...
I recorded it from a Sony 800i, mobile phone.
You know this sort of chat could be moved to PM rather than messing up a Sticky JH... PM me if you want to continue.
Or DS, split this and move it to the Sewer...LOL
Lies. You're just trying to hide the fact that you have a speach impediment. I have a thick accent too but I can speak clear english if I wish.
'eech 'imediment? 'ever!
We an intelligent disscusion board as a child board of this place. I see it as absolutly nescesary.
Quoteintelligent disscusion board as a child board
I actually agree with that.
Isn't it already a child-board of spam? Having child boards within child boards is silly.
Aside from which, nobody on this forum would be allowed to post in there. :P I don't like this tongue smily, he's uninteresting. I think it's the beady, expressionless eyes.
Quote from: modern algebra on August 06, 2007, 06:21:45 AM
Isn't it already a child-board of spam? Having child boards within child boards is silly.
Aside from which, nobody on this forum would be allowed to post in there. :P I don't like this tongue smily, he's uninteresting. I think it's the beady, expressionless eyes.
Chewey's Spam Forums. ;8 I agree with the smiley thing but I like the tongue.
Some people here are actually intelligent (myself and others), we/I/they just act stupid
Quote from: Forcystus on August 06, 2007, 08:02:21 PM
Some people here are actually intelligent (myself and others), we/I/they just act stupid
Don't flatter yourself.
Thats why I said they to. I may be a dumb arse, I just dont know it.
Intelligent Discussion board, NOW, plz.
EDIT: Oh and, Saladin, I think its spelled Canan, in your sig
Quote from: Forcystus on August 10, 2007, 01:19:58 AMEDIT: Oh and, Saladin, I think its spelled Canan, in your sig
I am absolutely certain that it isn't.
oh sorry ur right, I was thinking like Cannan, my bad.