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Title: Stereo Types or Self Fulfilling Prophecy. (Determinism or Freewill)
Post by: Ravenshade on February 28, 2007, 12:19:50 AM
Stereo Types or Self Fulfilling Prophecy.

(Btw by answering this you are consenting to taking part in a Psychological Experiment on the views of people on the Internet compared with the General Public of Derby City Centre.)

Let me start off by saying there is no right or wrong answer, but here's what they are (in Psychology...but in english)

Stereo Types are people who get generalized.

Self Fulfilling Prophecy are people who get labelled (often wrongly) and live up to that expectation (thus becoming stereo types)

Which one is it?

Can people be generalized under one rule, or is it because we humans like labelling people?

Do you think it is right that people should get generalized/labelled?

Do we have to live by this, isn't this just another form of Determinism or is it a way that our Free Will is taken away from us?

What are Racists, should we persecute them for their beliefs?
what if someone wasn't a racist (i.e. Jade Goody) but was labelled as one, and because she was "white" got singled out? Is this the Self Fulfilling Prophecy at work (Check Big Brother).
Title: Re: Stereo Types or Self Fulfilling Prophecy. (Determinism or Freewill)
Post by: Ravenshade on March 03, 2007, 12:49:04 AM
No one want to answer?
Title: Re: Stereo Types or Self Fulfilling Prophecy. (Determinism or Freewill)
Post by: Deliciously_Saucy on March 03, 2007, 05:38:46 AM
I certainly say that it comes down to situation. If you have a black child raised with a white family in a white community, it will act white, no?

I say majority of our views come down to our upbringings, not genetics. While certain attributes can be predesignated, it still comes to the people around to bring out the possible, dormant personality fixtures.
Title: Re: Stereo Types or Self Fulfilling Prophecy. (Determinism or Freewill)
Post by: Plump Prince on March 03, 2007, 07:58:24 AM
Quote from: Ravenshade on March 03, 2007, 12:49:04 AM
No one want to answer?

Deliciously_Saucy may understand what you post is about, but I don't.
Title: Re: Stereo Types or Self Fulfilling Prophecy. (Determinism or Freewill)
Post by: Deliciously_Saucy on March 06, 2007, 01:46:30 PM
Ahh, from what I took as it was:

Are racial personality stereotypes part of genetics/predisposition, or upbringings and surroundings.
Title: Re: Stereo Types or Self Fulfilling Prophecy. (Determinism or Freewill)
Post by: Ravenshade on March 08, 2007, 01:20:17 PM
DS is right for the most part, but it's virtually anything...it's like a chicken or the egg kind of thing as well.

Which comes first, Self Fulfilling Prophecy or Stereotyping?

Just basically answer the questions below (and including): Which one is it?
Title: Re: Stereo Types or Self Fulfilling Prophecy. (Determinism or Freewill)
Post by: Djangonator on March 09, 2007, 09:37:03 PM
How are stereotypes/self-fulfilling prophecy and determinism/volition related?

EDIT: Saucy, I think you're talking Nature vs. Nurture :o
Title: Re: Stereo Types or Self Fulfilling Prophecy. (Determinism or Freewill)
Post by: Ravenshade on March 09, 2007, 10:01:33 PM
Okay, stereotypes sooner or later form the self-fulfilling prophecy or the other way around...either way the person may end up being someone. This is deterministic.

Free will is sort of the null hypothesis of this...where Stereotypes have no effect what so ever, so that's how it's related.
Title: Re: Stereo Types or Self Fulfilling Prophecy. (Determinism or Freewill)
Post by: Djangonator on March 09, 2007, 10:18:34 PM
Self-fulfilling prophecy wouldn't happen BEFORE stereotyping. What "prophecy" would you have to "fulfill" then?

Being part of a stereotype is a matter of free will. You choose what clothes you wear, what music you listen to, which people you associate with, etc. Self-fulfilling prophecy itself is still a result of volition. A person would CHOOSE to let what they're being stereotyped as define them, and would be more inclined to act in ways that correspond with whatever they've been stereotyped as. Determinism is a bunch of bullshit.