We've all experienced De ja vu at one point or another.
Is this memory of experiencing a breif glimpse of an alternate universe masked within our own world? Or a premonition into the future?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
Neither.
Quote from: Dr_Tenma on February 19, 2007, 05:44:33 AM
Neither.
Yeh... This really isn't going for you... Wrong forums, only Arrow believes in stuff like that because he's a dangerous cultist. Edit: :V ( forgot to add it... )
Oh and your quoting something that says "science fiction" in the first few lines.
Do you believe in string theroy?
Quote from: slydeltah on February 20, 2007, 11:04:35 AM
Do you believe in string theroy?
I don't believe in anything, as a fact that is. I think string theory is only being taken as seriously because it answers so much, not because it's plausible or has high evidence.
There is nothing called as De Ja Vu, when the thing occurs, for example, your friend spilled the milk over your shirt, you get the feeling that you've seen this in a dream/predicted it. But actually its nothing.
Quote from: Dr_Tenma on February 19, 2007, 05:44:33 AM
Neither.
I so love this guy.
I've seen images in dreams that later came to fruition years or even days later. Happens to me all the time. I'm teling you man, "hone in to the universe" facts and what is tangible dosen't have to be all there is to life.
Foresight my older bro and I both can do this too which is weird he is better at it tough saved my uncle's life.....Wait does that even pertain to the subject?
Quote from: slydeltah on February 20, 2007, 07:27:35 PM
I've seen images in dreams that later came to fruition years or even days later. Happens to me all the time. I'm teling you man, "hone in to the universe" facts and what is tangible dosen't have to be all there is to life.
DId yuo read my post man, many people have proved it, its a feeling of the mind, when the thing happens, you just feel that you saw something, but actually you didnt.
"Foresight is nothing more than the mind forming a collage of things you do daily and the coincidence of such happening later. Only seeming as foresight through ignoring the daily task." (Tsunokiette)
Quote from: Tsunokiette on February 21, 2007, 03:42:25 AM
"Foresight is nothing more than the mind forming a collage of things you do daily and the coincidence of such happening later. Only seeming as foresight through ignoring the daily task." (Tsunokiette)
Wow That was pretty thought out wasnt it? I slightly agree with you there.
Quote from: Sins and Demise on February 21, 2007, 03:50:36 AM
Quote from: Tsunokiette on February 21, 2007, 03:42:25 AM
"Foresight is nothing more than the mind forming a collage of things you do daily and the coincidence of such happening later. Only seeming as foresight through ignoring the daily task." (Tsunokiette)
Wow That was pretty thought out wasnt it? I slightly agree with you there.
Lol, it actually only took a few seconds to type out. All it means is that we ignore little things we do every day, and "De Ja Vu" is a collage of what we do (but don't notice) throughout the day, and the exact same thing happening (chances were high it would sometime) later on.
Quote from: Tsunokiette on February 21, 2007, 03:52:58 AM
Quote from: Sins and Demise on February 21, 2007, 03:50:36 AM
Quote from: Tsunokiette on February 21, 2007, 03:42:25 AM
"Foresight is nothing more than the mind forming a collage of things you do daily and the coincidence of such happening later. Only seeming as foresight through ignoring the daily task." (Tsunokiette)
Wow That was pretty thought out wasnt it? I slightly agree with you there.
Lol, it actually only took a few seconds to type out. All it means is that we ignore little things we do every day, and "De Ja Vu" is a collage of what we do (but don't notice) throughout the day, and the exact same thing happening (chances were high it would sometime) later on.
BUt let us put in a situation liek you actually saved someone form dying how would we explain that?
Um, lucky guess? lol
I think De Ja Vu is different from a premonition. Premonitions are rare, but I do believe that through Grace of God they do happen sometimes.
Quote from: Tsunokiette on February 21, 2007, 04:06:02 AM
Um, lucky guess? lol
I think De Ja Vu is different from a premonition. Premonitions are rare, but I do believe that through Grace of God they do happen sometimes.
Yeah my older bro suposedly saved my uncle one time....and predicted that 3 people in oru family would die and he never told us the people though.
BUt yeah have "Deja Vu" a lot but I do have some premintions.
I actually foreseen someone's death as we both sat amongst friends, I thought to myself, you're going to die. a week later he was mugged and shot. he died hours later. I don't want to say I "willed" it to happen, but I just knew.
De Ja Vu, whether it's formed subconsciously or seen as foresight in a dream is still very real.
okay, if you did see something like this, should've told him , even if he wouldnt believe.
Quote from: slydeltah on February 21, 2007, 04:53:16 AM
I don't want to say I "willed" it to happen, but I just knew.
I actually do believe in the power of the mind and that you can shape the world into whatever you see fit, though that really has nothing to do with premonition. Which I don't believe in.
Agreed.
For Gilga, its like 100% no, for me its 80% no 20 % yes.
BUT WHO KNOWZ.
On the subject of shaping the world into whatever you want, how do you like my new avatar? I have made the earth into a giant sex toy.
Quote from: Dr_Tenma on February 21, 2007, 07:12:20 AM
On the subject of shaping the world into whatever you want, how do you like my new avatar? I have made the earth into a giant sex toy.
Yeh, it's hot...
QuoteI actually do believe in the power of the mind and that you can shape the world into whatever you see fit
Perhaps you can explain your beliefs more.
It's not so crazy if you think about it. Reality is what you percieve it to be. If you see it as something else than someone else, then that is what it is, for you. In this way everyone controls the world. If a conviction is strong enough then it becomes reality. For someone with a mental disorder the world may be vastly different than it is for you or I.
Quote from: GilgameshRO on February 21, 2007, 07:22:55 AM
It's not so crazy if you think about it. Reality is what you percieve it to be. If you see it as something else than someone else, then that is what it is, for you. In this way everyone controls the world. If a conviction is strong enough then it becomes reality. For someone with a mental disorder the world may be vastly different than it is for you or I.
Ahh! Very well said. You mean like in the same area of the placebo effect? I thought you meant direct pysical manipulation through the mind. I actually believe generally the same, I just don't state it like that. The mind is a very complex situation, I think if someone believes in something it could be made into personal reality, as you said, mentally handicapped people see the world as a different thing.
Yes, it's much like the placebo effect. I feel that the mind can have direct physical manipulation, but the real question is wether/how much one is able to effect others and how much one's reality is effected by/effects that of others. For example I feel that if one truely believed without a doubt that he could fly then it is so, but other people do not believe that humans can fly. As such, will they see him fly? If he jumps off a high building, will he die? etc.
I still don't believe that that would fall under "outside manipulation", as while he himself may be deluded into thinking he's flying, I don't see how that could be a Peter Pan complex. If another person sees him flying because they think he can too, wouldn't that just be two mentally challenged people rather then just one?
Why do you think that it would be more logical for someone to only seeing him as falling because of their lack of belief in human in-air self propulsion rather then just, them being lucid?
Or do you mean because of their lack of belief it causes him to fail in flying? If this was so, then it would be very difficult to prove as the man could only fly in the presence of "believers" and outsiders could simply state that they are either lying or suffering from mass illusion.
o well, he cant fly whatsoever so wtf,
Quote from: Tsunokiette on February 21, 2007, 03:42:25 AM
"Foresight is nothing more than the mind forming a collage of things you do daily and the coincidence of such happening later. Only seeming as foresight through ignoring the daily task." (Tsunokiette)
Would you be able to explain a case of Deja Vu in a situation outside of one's normal routine?
I found myself in an institution after my mom got really sick and there was no one to care for me and my brother. Years before, in a dream I seen the very same place I was to call home for the next few weeks, a place I'd never seen before except in that dream.
Did I live, experience these moments in an alterverse, materializing like an echo through each reality. Or was that dream a window into the future.....premonition?
Quote from: slydeltah on February 21, 2007, 09:05:11 AM
Did I live, experience these moments in an alterverse, materializing like an echo through each reality. Or was that dream a window into the future.....premonition?
Why are you only giving two options... T_T. That's being very close minded...
And why do you have to find the most bizarre, odd explanation for something?? Achems razor- The simplest explanation is probably the correct one.
Quote from: slydeltah on February 21, 2007, 09:05:11 AM
Quote from: Tsunokiette on February 21, 2007, 03:42:25 AM
"Foresight is nothing more than the mind forming a collage of things you do daily and the coincidence of such happening later. Only seeming as foresight through ignoring the daily task." (Tsunokiette)
Would you be able to explain a case of Deja Vu in a situation outside of one's normal routine?
I found myself in an institution after my mom got really sick and there was no one to care for me and my brother. Years before, in a dream I seen the very same place I was to call home for the next few weeks, a place I'd never seen before except in that dream.
Did I live, experience these moments in an alterverse, materializing like an echo through each reality. Or was that dream a window into the future.....premonition?
See it could also mean that your a negative thinker, who thought WHAT IF, and yeah.
It happened.
READ MY POSTEH!
Quote from: Deliciously_Saucy on February 21, 2007, 09:12:40 AM
Quote from: slydeltah on February 21, 2007, 09:05:11 AM
Did I live, experience these moments in an alterverse, materializing like an echo through each reality. Or was that dream a window into the future.....premonition?
Why are you only giving two options... T_T. That's being very close minded...
And why do you have to find the most bizarre, odd explanation for something?? Achems razor- The simplest explanation is probably the correct one.
How would you sum it up. Explain how I would see the very same room, with that person whom I've never seen, speaking those words, turing his head, sec for sec as it unraveled in my dream.
I SAID READ MY BEFORE POSTS IT EXPLAINS ALL.
I did.
Read an actual article about it.
wikipedia Deja Vu
Quote from: slydeltah on February 21, 2007, 10:07:29 AM
I did.
Read an actual article about it.
wikipedia Deja Vu
Wiki is basically a public dictionary, it's not even close to something relable.
QuoteHow would you sum it up. Explain how I would see the very same room, with that person whom I've never seen, speaking those words, turing his head, sec for sec as it unraveled in my dream.
Did you know that the majority of the dreams we have aren't even remembered, and the ones that are come out fuzzy at best in our memory. When the mind hits a black spot, it will desperately try to fill it with something to try and grasp with what's happening. You see a face, any face, one that you don't remember properly and when an experiance happens in the same general situation as the dream, you fill in the blanks of the dream with the current scenario.
As time goes on, "lying" to yourself, or tricking yourself, becomes easier and simpler, enough to even trick yourself into thinking your psychic.
Very good D_S. ;)
Although I will have to say, my dreams are as clear as day. I have a strange cognoscence.
You're wrong. Your conscious mind fills in the fuzzy spots making them SEEM clear to you. Basically you make shit up and trick yourself into believing it.
Hmm, interesting. A way that I could try to explain it is that the guy who believes he can fly, really does fly, and branches into his world. While the observer who thinks that the guy can't fly, watches him fall to his. This way, the world is split into two universes, from this one incident. It is interesting to think of things this way.
EDIT: Didn't notice 2nd page, posted so late >.<
Yes well I didn't really want to get into the billion worlds based on different possibilities thing.
Quote from: InvaderZim on February 26, 2007, 11:11:46 PM
Hmm, interesting. A way that I could try to explain it is that the guy who believes he can fly, really does fly, and branches into his world. While the observer who thinks that the guy can't fly, watches him fall to his. This way, the world is split into two universes, from this one incident. It is interesting to think of things this way.
EDIT: Didn't notice 2nd page, posted so late >.<
Yes well it is possible though isn't it? I mean if everyone sees things in different ways isn't it possible that there are new realities or new worlds created after events that have a major effect on a person.