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I'm not black, so I'm "not allowed" to say that word.

Quote from: The WikipediaThe Spanish word negro originates from the Latin word niger, meaning black. In English, negro or neger became negar and finally nigger, most likely under influence of French nègre (also derived from the Latin niger).

Generally, I view the term as meaning "ignorant." In my opinion, anybody can be a nigger, not just a black person.


Nigger

Nigger

Nigger.

Niggers.

Nigger is just a word. I don't see why I (and other white people) can't use it (especially when a black person is able to call me honky or cracka- isn't that just as "racist"?) without someone calling me a racist, or even why it's still offensive. People with colored skin have the same rights as Caucasians (and everyone else, for that matter) do, so anyone who allows themselves to feel degraded by that word is a nigger and deserves to be called one (as do the blacks that call each other nigger, but get pissy when anyone else says it- it's not just "your word", asshole).

What're your feelings, friendly black fellow?

BECUZ U DIDNT SUFFER FOR A HUNDRED YEARS ON THEM PLANTATIONS, THATS WHY

I still don't think they* have the right to morally degrade and make asses out of us a every turn.

*They who use the word and get pissy when anyone else does, not just black people.

Go to Harlem, try explaining this to some black people, and tell me how it goes.

Seriously, nigger was used as a degrading term that white people used to to refer to black people. White people like me have absolutely no right to use it.

To me it's just another bad word that degrades other people. Like fucktard, or cuntruffler, or douchebag.

i.e. you look like a jackass using it because you can't convey your opinions without insulting someone.

Nobody should use words like that, but this world isn't ideal, so, we're stuck with them, I guess.

ummmmm, my opinion is other black people use it like a stupid insult thing like me calling my friend a whore or slut, not to be offending, but just to be stupid. but if u call other people you do not have any relationship or connection with you shouldnt say those terms because they take them literally and as an insult. so ummm yeah i think what youre doing isnt neccesarily racist, but you dont understand where its coming from, because youre not black, so dont say it.

What I find most moronic is the whole "nigger" vs. "friendly black fellow" deal. It's ok if they call each other niggas but not niggers. Really that's just stupid. They change the suffix of words like that all the time, but they still keep the same meaning, why would nigger be any different?

Playa = Player

friendly black fellow = Nigger

They can say they are allowed because of all the suffering of slavery their ancestors had to go through, or they could admit they just use that as an excuse because in reality, that doesn't matter anymore. The Jews don't use that kind of bullcrap with the Germans. Not quite the same, I know, but you get the idea.

Anyway, words are just words. They're only bad because people say they are. FUCK. There, I said fuck. OK, I typed it, but you heard it in your head. It's not the first time you've encountered the word, nor will it be the last, I'm sure. Did it do any harm? No.

Fuck
Shit
Bitch
Nigger
Asshole
Cunt
Dickhead
Goddamn
Douchebag
Faggot

In and of themselves, those words are not offensive. It's the context in which they are used.

Quote from: Darklord on December 25, 2006, 08:17:06 PM
Seriously, nigger was used as a degrading term that white people used to to refer to black people. White people like me have absolutely no right to use it.

We have every right to use the word because it is there. Like Halo is saying (and like what I was trying to mean) is that it's the context in which you say it. Anyway, it wasn't always derogatory (

Quote from: The Wikipedian the United States, the word nigger was not always considered derogatory, but was used by some as merely denotative of black, as it was in other parts of the English-speaking world. In nineteenth-century literature, there are many uses of the word nigger with no intended negative connotation.

), and I think attaching negative racial connotations to the word is more racist than just saying it.

Quote from: arlenreyb on December 25, 2006, 08:30:50 PM
To me it's just another bad word that degrades other people. Like fucktard, or cuntruffler, or douchebag.

i.e. you look like a jackass using it because you can't convey your opinions without insulting someone.

Nobody should use words like that, but this world isn't ideal, so, we're stuck with them, I guess.

I am somewhat of an ignorant, arrogant, abrasive bitch on teh intarnets, but I can get my opinion across without insulting somebody- I'm not intentionally trying to insult anyone with this thread. Once again, if the word exists, I believe anyone should be able to use it as freely as they wish. That doesn't mean I'm all for people running around calling other people niggers (or any other "mean" word) 24/7, but I don't think it should be such a "bad word", or forbidden to anyone. Also, doesn't calling me a jackass negate the whole point that you were trying to make?

Quote from: Christina on December 25, 2006, 08:39:11 PM
but you dont understand where its coming from, because youre not black, so dont say it.

I don't understand where it's coming from...because I'm not black? So all black people understand "where it's coming from"...because they are black? Please, I beg of you to elaborate more on this point.

Halo and George Carlin are right when they say it's the context of the word which makes it offensive- I'm trying to say (I realize how poorly I put it) that it is only a word, and should be able to be used by and applied to everybody, regardless of race, because it is ONLY A WORD. The only reason it's regarded as offensive is because people LET it offend them.

Uh. I wasn't talking to you in that post. I was speaking generally.

But regardless, yeah, I use those words all the time too. Which, in fact, does coincide with the "world ain't perfect" part of my point.

I was "just sayin'," not "preachin' for changes."

Quote from: Djangonator on December 25, 2006, 11:09:04 PM

Quote from: Darklord on December 25, 2006, 08:17:06 PM
Seriously, nigger was used as a degrading term that white people used to to refer to black people. White people like me have absolutely no right to use it.

We have every right to use the word because it is there. Like Halo is saying (and like what I was trying to mean) is that it's the context in which you say it. Anyway, it wasn't always derogatory (

Quote from: The Wikipedian the United States, the word nigger was not always considered derogatory, but was used by some as merely denotative of black, as it was in other parts of the English-speaking world. In nineteenth-century literature, there are many uses of the word nigger with no intended negative connotation.

), and I think attaching negative racial connotations to the word is more racist than just saying it.

Quote from: arlenreyb on December 25, 2006, 08:30:50 PM
To me it's just another bad word that degrades other people. Like fucktard, or cuntruffler, or douchebag.

i.e. you look like a jackass using it because you can't convey your opinions without insulting someone.

Nobody should use words like that, but this world isn't ideal, so, we're stuck with them, I guess.

I am somewhat of an ignorant, arrogant, abrasive bitch on teh intarnets, but I can get my opinion across without insulting somebody- I'm not intentionally trying to insult anyone with this thread. Once again, if the word exists, I believe anyone should be able to use it as freely as they wish. That doesn't mean I'm all for people running around calling other people niggers (or any other "mean" word) 24/7, but I don't think it should be such a "bad word", or forbidden to anyone. Also, doesn't calling me a jackass negate the whole point that you were trying to make?

Quote from: Christina on December 25, 2006, 08:39:11 PM
but you dont understand where its coming from, because youre not black, so dont say it.

I don't understand where it's coming from...because I'm not black? So all black people understand "where it's coming from"...because they are black? Please, I beg of you to elaborate more on this point.

Halo and George Carlin are right when they say it's the context of the word which makes it offensive- I'm trying to say (I realize how poorly I put it) that it is only a word, and should be able to be used by and applied to everybody, regardless of race, because it is ONLY A WORD. The only reason it's regarded as offensive is because people LET it offend them.

ummmm usually black people know of their heritage, and their own family stories behind it. thats why you wouldnt understand. and yes it depends in the context you use it in, like i said when people say slut and whatever, but youre not getting the point that its really other peoples right to use the word. like if a guy called another girl a slut, even as a joke, the girl wouldnt consider it a joke. because WHO its coming from. just like a white person saying nigger, its offensive because of WHO it is coming from. because once white people treated black people poorly, and when you say that it is refering to that time.
i agree that its stupid that they use it in everyday life as a stupid non-insulting insult, and i dont think they should do that because they find it offending when we say it. but i guess you have to deal with it. its kind of like an inside joke. you just have to stay out of it.

It doesn't really matter what it "means" as opposed to what it implies to people in their own perspectives.

Quote from: Christina on December 25, 2006, 11:43:23 PM
ummmm usually black people know of their heritage, and their own family stories behind it. thats why you wouldnt understand. and yes it depends in the context you use it in, like i said when people say slut and whatever, but youre not getting the point that its really other peoples right to use the word. like if a guy called another girl a slut, even as a joke, the girl wouldnt consider it a joke. because WHO its coming from. just like a white person saying nigger, its offensive because of WHO it is coming from. because once white people treated black people poorly, and when you say that it is refering to that time.
i agree that its stupid that they use it in everyday life as a stupid non-insulting insult, and i dont think they should do that because they find it offending when we say it. but i guess you have to deal with it. its kind of like an inside joke. you just have to stay out of it.

They may be "aware of their heritage", but they are not suffering in the same way that their relatives may have suffered (which is also why I usually don't believe in most reparations). I understand why any Negroid might see it as an offensive word, but it's something that I think people should be able to move on from, especially now, when it is apparent that if any white uses the word nigger to seriously degrade a person of color, they are too stupid to realize that skin is not basis for judgement, and that the red of their neck is more disgraceful than the skin of somebody with a higher melanin content, and that they are the real nigger.

EDIT: If you've got an extra half an hour to kill and you don't hate Penn & Teller... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6834616400884591628&q=penn+bullshit&hl=en)

Who cares  :tpg:

Me and my best mate call it to each other all the time for fun...

I called him it in a pub once with a black woman near us... with the look she gave me i thought she was gonna kill me :|

Quote from: Djangonator on December 26, 2006, 12:28:00 AM

Quote from: Christina on December 25, 2006, 11:43:23 PM
ummmm usually black people know of their heritage, and their own family stories behind it. thats why you wouldnt understand. and yes it depends in the context you use it in, like i said when people say slut and whatever, but youre not getting the point that its really other peoples right to use the word. like if a guy called another girl a slut, even as a joke, the girl wouldnt consider it a joke. because WHO its coming from. just like a white person saying nigger, its offensive because of WHO it is coming from. because once white people treated black people poorly, and when you say that it is refering to that time.
i agree that its stupid that they use it in everyday life as a stupid non-insulting insult, and i dont think they should do that because they find it offending when we say it. but i guess you have to deal with it. its kind of like an inside joke. you just have to stay out of it.

They may be "aware of their heritage", but they are not suffering in the same way that their relatives may have suffered (which is also why I usually don't believe in most reparations). I understand why any Negroid might see it as an offensive word, but it's something that I think people should be able to move on from, especially now, when it is apparent that if any white uses the word nigger to seriously degrade a person of color, they are too stupid to realize that skin is not basis for judgement, and that the red of their neck is more disgraceful than the skin of somebody with a higher melanin content, and that they are the real nigger.

EDIT: If you've got an extra half an hour to kill and you don't hate Penn & Teller... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6834616400884591628&q=penn+bullshit&hl=en)

yeah i agree that they need to move on from it. i find sometimes theyre more racist than we are.
at my school all the black people have their own group of friends. i have a few black friends, but theyre mostly good friends with each other. i find it offensive that theyre not willing to be with white people.
even once i was walking in the hall and this girl literally said "stupid white people" it offends me that they can be racist like that. because im not that way with black people, im more accepting of them, than they are of me.

edit- im not saying theyre all like that but a lot at my school are

Yeah, one thing that's funny is that it's horrible, hateful, and racist of a Caucasian person to use the word "nigger" towards a Negroid, it is perfectly okay for a Negroid to refer to a Caucasian as a "cracka."

I would say that's probably because almost every white person doesn't take offense when they're called a cracker.

And that's because it's a lame insult. We don't call them pretzels, for chrissake.

Shudup Cracka.

Wee's talks like we wants too, you feelin' me?

We don't care bought you motha, so leave us alone beyoch.
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^ I know quite a few people that would react this way to this thread lolz.

Anywho... like all words nigger can be used in multiple ways. If a person learns the word from a dictionary, has no clue slavery ever existed, and called a black man being stupid a nigger, should he be to blame? No.

History is to blame, mankind in general is to blame. Nigger has been associated to slavery just as ghetto has been associated to the small areas the Germans forced the Jews to live in.

EX: Cue tip. We all know what this is correct? However, cue tip is merely a brand, the product name is cotton swab. But no matter what the brand we still call it a cue tip, why? Because we have associated cue tip with cotton swab.

So, I guess it doesn't really matter.

kleenex

rollerblades

weedwhacker

coke

This topic has reminded me of my old days in highschool where the word 'niglet' was tossed around with out regard. Now back at The Mathoms (Seriously, my highschool was named that), we had a healthy attitude towards this kind of stuff. We called EVERY ONE a nigger or niglet. hell I got called Niglet ten times a day on average, and I called even more the delightfull term Niglet. We did this becuse honestly, the word nigger has lost all meaning. Hip Hop 'culture' has proven that. I'm actually waiting for the rest of society to realise that it's an obsolite expression that no longer has any value. But with my luck, it'll be a long time beofre the rest of society realises that its a word that has no meaning any more.

Hell, I think I should just randomly call people Niglet now. Just to prove the frivilous shit behind that word.

In school, our lunch has a menu made out of one of those wipable white boards, and one day we had little ice cream sandwiches called Mighty Bites. A friend of mine who was with me in line promptly changed it to say Nig Bits. =D

He sounds like a funny niglet.

well the longer people are offended by the word the longer it will hold power.  Fuck used to be extremely shunned and u were considered a horrible person if u used it.  But as people have come to accept it, it holds much less power.  When people are done being offended by nigger it will no longer hold power.  god knows how long that will take in today's politically correct society.

Quote from: darkelementwars on December 26, 2006, 03:46:03 AM
well the longer people are offended by the word the longer it will hold power.  Fuck used to be extremely shunned and u were considered a horrible person if u used it.  But as people have come to accept it, it holds much less power.  When people are done being offended by nigger it will no longer hold power.  god knows how long that will take in today's politically correct society.

I like how this niglet thinks.

hey in the 1500's, you could be burned at the stake for calling someone a "fool" nowadays, we dont even use that word. The people perpetuating slavery saying "nigger" and actually meaning, they knew of the power of that racist insult. However, the word nigger has devolved nowadays to the point where I see geeky white people calling eachother nigger. If they were to do that three hundred years ago, they'd probably be killed. I'm just saying all swear words lose they're abilities to affect us. Nowadays, (and by nowadays i mean about 8 years ago on Oprah) A Klu Klux Klan member said there were niggers and black people. Oprah was horribly offended. he said it was okay, cause she wasn't a nigger. And when the whites took over, she wouldn't be killed. Like Halo said, all swear words depend on the context. If someone casually uses nigger, theres nothing wrong with it. If they mean it with racist hate, well, hell, i'll punch em a few times. there's no reason to hate people based on how they look.
Most people, listening to me, wouldn't believe this because i'm whiter than sour cream. but thats my opinion on the subject. And yes, i pretty much said what other people said in a condensed form. And i managed to call myself white.

I have more of a problem with the word "racist" than "nigger". Since when is different skin color enough to make you a separate race from someone? We're all human, and therefore, of the same race. Whoever decided that we're not is a total fuckhead. The use of the words "race" and "racist/racism" is more effective in pounding into peoples' skulls that we're different and not equal than nigger.

That's what race means, dude. More than one definition. One is, obviously, humans as a whole. The other one is divided culturally, and with cultural differences there obviously comes physical differences. There's a German race, an Italian race, an African American race, etc...etc...

It's not so much about just the color of the skin. Saying that all Germans are jew murderers is just as "racist" as the whole nigger thing.

It comes with the territory, you know?

Quoting myself from a post on another forum from a heated racism thread ~_~

QuoteHey, The EL. You are a nigger.

I have totally gone and defined you. In one sentence, I've encapsulated your entire existence. Everything you've ever said and done to distinguish yourself as a unique, intelligent human being has been completely nullified and overwritten by my words. Nothing you ever say or do will again make a difference because you've empowered me with the ability to say who and what you are. My words are obviously far more potent than your own self-opinion, so I can say whatever I want about you and know that it will instantly be true. You are a nigger. I've said it again. I've further reinforced the entire essence of your being with a simple word.

Whenever you decide that words are meaningless and whenever you stop allowing the words of others to have such power over you, then everything I've said will be false. Until then, you're a nigger and you'll continue being a nigger because I say so and I am obviously a mean, hurtful person who knows nothing about the occassional emptiness of written language.

Grow up.

Mainly agreed with Silverline (the ideology and not the satire statement of course)~.

But as I said, the word and its definition itself means null to people; it's what the person saying it is implying that can trigger anything.

When someone says chinky-chinky, the only discomfort I'd feel would be if it was of an obvious harmful intention of tone to begin with. Otherwise, there would be no shit to be given this Christmas.

Quote from: arlenreyb on December 26, 2006, 05:33:11 AM
That's what race means, dude. More than one definition. One is, obviously, humans as a whole. The other one is divided culturally, and with cultural differences there obviously comes physical differences. There's a German race, an Italian race, an African American race, etc...etc...

It's not so much about just the color of the skin. Saying that all Germans are jew murderers is just as "racist" as the whole nigger thing.

It comes with the territory, you know?

I still think it's an unneessary term, but this could perhaps be every sociology class I've taken doing the talking here. When professor after professor tells you race is just another foolish label society feels is needed, you tend to start to believe it, whether it's true or not.

Actually, I'm feeling rather sick to my stomach right now, so I'm going to have to finish this post some other time, and perhaps make it make more sense.  :@

One of the best things in life is watching white people discuss the word "nigger". Everyone's speech suddenly becomes stiff and formal or they sound like Al Sharpton.

Because it's a "touchy subject".

Well talking like this:

nigger is a bad word ya no its not sumtin u shud be sayin ya HEERDDDD

wouldn't exactly be the best way to go, either. :)

No it wouldn't.

Zypher you are a stupid cock-juggling nigger.

At least he understood what I was really trying to say, and was agreeing with me instead of, you know, being a douchebag like those people on TabIt. Thanks, buddy. :)

Anytime.

Posting in a locked thread.

...Why is this thread locked?


Goddamn nigger mods.

I thought you locked it.  :tpg:

I'm so confused! :tpg:

I locked it 'cause I thought everyone was done speakin' their piece.

Okay so it's unlocked? Okay niglets, lets start talking.

i dont understand when people bring up the "400 years of oppression" thing because they never went through it so they dont know what it feels like so they should just leave it alone and get along with there life >.>

the sooner the learn to let the past go the sooner it will lose its meaning and effect on society

they get mad when white people say the word nigger but its because of them that the word is still around today

Interesting point Niglet. lets hear some more.

What more's to be said? I think he wrapped that up quite nicely.

fo sho my brotha. i tink when u talk like dis all de time you annoy peoples cuz dey dun know half the crap you say. ima go crack some whack. byez

That just made me lol, I love you NIGLETS!

when you say niglets it reminds of some sort of mcdonalds food in the ghetto