Here we go again, SOPA IS BACK!

There doesn't need to be a solution at all.

The people in charge of this shit need to get their heads out of their arse.

Why do people pirate?
Try before Buy.

It doesn't get any simpler than that, if I like it I'll buy it.


They complain that they are losing money because of piracy... No they're fucking not, if anything they are getting MORE money.

How many musicians would you know about if it weren't for piracy?
I'll bet fuck all. I'll guarantee that the music industry is doing just fine thanks to all the concerts they have.

How many films would you have bought from the store if you didn't think it was good?
Well hey, that's another thing that piracy does. Gives you an incentive to think "Hey this was pretty good, I think I'll support the creators by buying it from the store".

How many awesome games would you have played otherwise?
I can tell you that I would've NEVER discovered Tales of Symphonia if I didn't pirate that game. It is rare as fucking hell in my country, and now I'm a full supporter and payer of the franchise.


This fucking bill has NOTHING to do with piracy, and the government fucking knows it. It's just a way for them to censor the internet against anything that they deem is a threat to THEIR popularity.
You seen that list for the blacklist on SOPA, I guarantee that a lot of them weren't doing anything with piracy.


And last but certainly not fucking least. The very idea that this bill will stop child porn is just plain fucking stupid. I have seen the worst kind of shit on the interest (amputated shit, beheadings, skull fucking, lighting people on fire). NEVER, not even once, have I seen someone fucking a kid.

Whoever came up with that bullshit idea that Child Porn is rampant on the internet obviously hasn't been on the fucking thing.
And I don't know about you, but even if it was running rampant, I would legalize that shit. It's much better to have a pedophile masturbating in his basement over pictures on the internet over doing it the old fashioned way.






So with all that in mind. Why do we need any type of bill that censors the internet?
To censor freedom of speech. It has no reason to stop piracy, it has no real reason to stop Child Porn, it has no real fucking reason to give you an ass fucking when you want to listen to some music, and best of all, it has no reason to fucking exist besides anyone's interest who did not create the fucking thing.

You seem pissed the fuck off, but you targeted some very acute problems with this bill. My question is, how are they gonna try to justify it after that point, like they tried to do with SOPA and PIPA? I'm betting they might do something like that and try to pull wool over the eyes.

And I don't know about you, but even if it was running rampant, I would legalize that shit. It's much better to have a pedophile masturbating in his basement over pictures on the internet over doing it the old fashioned way.

You are aware that child pornography is created by sexually abusing children? And that if the market for it was legal more people would be incentivized to create it? While I understand your point, I don't believe it is possible to make an easy distinction between the act of child sexual abuse and the act of watching children be sexually abused. Unless the videos are only animated, the latter can't exist without the former. However, your desire to legalize it was wider than animation.

This fucking bill has NOTHING to do with piracy, and the government fucking knows it.

That's most certainly true; the act is stated to be directed toward cybersecurity and is not concerned with piracy or child porn at all, so the rant on anti-piracy was off-topic. As far as I can tell, this bill does not really resemble SOPA, though I can certainly understand how the title of the topic misled you. I also disagree with your argument, but seeing that it would be off-topic, I won't say anything more than that.

I have no actual desire to legalize it. I just added that to improvise my point

I'm betting they might do something like that and try to pull wool over the eyes.

What?

You seem pissed the fuck off

LOL

And I don't know about you, but even if it was running rampant, I would legalize that shit. It's much better to have a pedophile masturbating in his basement over pictures on the internet over doing it the old fashioned way.

You are aware that child pornography is created by sexually abusing children? And that if the market for it was legal more people would be incentivized to create it? While I understand your point, I don't believe it is possible to make an easy distinction between the act of child sexual abuse and the act of watching children be sexually abused. Unless the videos are only animated, the latter can't exist without the former. However, your desire to legalize it was wider than animation.

This fucking bill has NOTHING to do with piracy, and the government fucking knows it.

That's most certainly true; the act is stated to be directed toward cybersecurity and is not concerned with piracy or child porn at all, so the rant on anti-piracy was off-topic. As far as I can tell, this bill does not really resemble SOPA, though I can certainly understand how the title of the topic misled you. I also disagree with your argument, but seeing that it would be off-topic, I won't say anything more than that.

you don't understand how this bill resemble SOPA and CISPA because both of the bill cause internet censorship.

Actually, we do, we just don't like it.

Wasn't that the point of this thread?

i don't know why they will have to do this bill because they already have the power to take down some website like megaupload. it was shutdown by the gov't without sopa/pipa... but why CISPA?

To shut down sites that belittle the current ruling house, and sites that they deem "threatening" to society, you know the usual.

you don't understand how this bill resemble SOPA and CISPA because both of the bill cause internet censorship.

> One of them causes Internet censorship.
> The other one causes Internet censorship.
> They must be the same thing.

i don't know why they will have to do this bill because they already have the power to take down some website like megaupload. it was shutdown by the gov't without sopa/pipa... but why CISPA?

InfiniteKnowledge already explained why bills like these are being made.

Though I think the whole rant could've been avoided.

you don't understand how this bill resemble SOPA and CISPA because both of the bill cause internet censorship.

How does this bill cause internet censorship?

After reading the bill, I don't honestly see the threat. From my brief scan, it seems to allow for sharing of information between entities for cybersecurity purposes. Cybersecurity purpose is tightly enough defined that I don't think it can be used as a screen to give the federal government access to just any information a company might possess. In fact, I don't see anywhere that permits the federal government or any other entity to demand information from any other entity. It seems purely permissive, meaning that it permits and encourages but does not require any company to share information. Moreover, information can only be shared where the information is relevant to protecting the network or system and the purpose for sharing it is to disclose cyber threats.

Your article claims that the bill permits Congress to "essentially monitor, censor and stop any online communication that it considers disruptive to the government or private parties." I don't see anything in the bill that suggests that at all. I also think the references to intellectual property are limited to that hosted on the network or system itself, meaning that it only applies to theft of intellectual property by breaking into the network or system - it would not extend to piracy in the typical sense since that would be intellectual property hosted on a different network or system, and I do not think the language in this bill extends so far. The reactions in these articles seem a little paranoid to me.

If anything, this bill seems like it will help protect internet privacy since it enables companies that you permit to collect your information to build more secure networks, thus protecting the information they host from being leaked or extracted.

you don't understand how this bill resemble SOPA and CISPA because both of the bill cause internet censorship.

How does this bill cause internet censorship?

After reading the bill, I don't honestly see the threat. From my brief scan, it seems to allow for sharing of information between entities for cybersecurity purposes. Cybersecurity purpose is tightly enough defined that I don't think it can be used as a screen to give the federal government access to just any information a company might possess. In fact, I don't see anywhere that permits the federal government or any other entity to demand information from any other entity. It seems purely permissive, meaning that it permits and encourages but does not require any company to share information. Moreover, information can only be shared where the information is relevant to protecting the network or system and the purpose for sharing it is to disclose cyber threats.

Your article claims that the bill permits Congress to "essentially monitor, censor and stop any online communication that it considers disruptive to the government or private parties." I don't see anything in the bill that suggests that at all. I also think the references to intellectual property are limited to that hosted on the network or system itself, meaning that it only applies to theft of intellectual property by breaking into the network or system - it would not extend to piracy in the typical sense since that would be intellectual property hosted on a different network or system, and I do not think the language in this bill extends so far. The reactions in these articles seem a little paranoid to me.

If anything, this bill seems like it will help protect internet privacy since it enables companies that you permit to collect your information to build more secure networks, thus protecting the information they host from being leaked or extracted.

well the bill can effect your privacy. and also how many times does the gov't been making bill about the internet than important stuff to benefits people. 

I don't think jomarcenter reads our posts.

I don't think jomarcenter reads our posts.

i totally read the post.

Then why did you completely ignore the message this Seamus fellow was giving you?

There doesn't need to be a solution at all.

The people in charge of this shit need to get their heads out of their arse.

Why do people pirate?
Try before Buy.

It doesn't get any simpler than that, if I like it I'll buy it.


They complain that they are losing money because of piracy... No they're fucking not, if anything they are getting MORE money.

How many musicians would you know about if it weren't for piracy?
I'll bet fuck all. I'll guarantee that the music industry is doing just fine thanks to all the concerts they have.

How many films would you have bought from the store if you didn't think it was good?
Well hey, that's another thing that piracy does. Gives you an incentive to think "Hey this was pretty good, I think I'll support the creators by buying it from the store".

How many awesome games would you have played otherwise?
I can tell you that I would've NEVER discovered Tales of Symphonia if I didn't pirate that game. It is rare as fucking hell in my country, and now I'm a full supporter and payer of the franchise.


This fucking bill has NOTHING to do with piracy, and the government fucking knows it. It's just a way for them to censor the internet against anything that they deem is a threat to THEIR popularity.
You seen that list for the blacklist on SOPA, I guarantee that a lot of them weren't doing anything with piracy.


And last but certainly not fucking least. The very idea that this bill will stop child porn is just plain fucking stupid. I have seen the worst kind of shit on the interest (amputated shit, beheadings, skull fucking, lighting people on fire). NEVER, not even once, have I seen someone fucking a kid.

Whoever came up with that bullshit idea that Child Porn is rampant on the internet obviously hasn't been on the fucking thing.
And I don't know about you, but even if it was running rampant, I would legalize that shit. It's much better to have a pedophile masturbating in his basement over pictures on the internet over doing it the old fashioned way.






So with all that in mind. Why do we need any type of bill that censors the internet?
To censor freedom of speech. It has no reason to stop piracy, it has no real reason to stop Child Porn, it has no real fucking reason to give you an ass fucking when you want to listen to some music, and best of all, it has no reason to fucking exist besides anyone's interest who did not create the fucking thing.

I'm not going to pretend it's something it's not because I'm not big on conspiracy bullshit, but it IS a bill to prevent piracy because the film industry is paying these people to make the bill happen.  They aren't trying to censor the internet but it will inevitably happen if it goes through.  Don't get your facts confused.  All of this stems from piracy of entertainment.  They just happen to be targeting other things as well as the piracy issue and THAT is why it needs to be stopped.  Now let's get back to reality here and make sure we are all understanding what we know and not what we think we know, okay? 

As I stated, I am neither for nor against piracy and I see it as you pointed out "Try it before you buy it" but at the same time, I can't honestly tell you anyone that actually buys their software, movies or music after they tried it because they already have it, they already seen it, they already played it or it's too expensive to buy on a measly income so honestly, our argument of "Try it before you buy it" does not hold much weight these days, especially with services like netflix, trial software and youtube (vevo).  I mean, call me devil's advocate here, but I can see all sides of this and there really DOES need to be a solution agreed on by the entire population of our planet because frankly, a bill like SOPA and CISPA is inevitable as long as we don't put our foot down and say "this is how we are willing to bend if you are willing to bend yourself...otherwise, we want you out of the office."  We need to make sure the bill is stated in plain words what it is intended for, what it is will do and what it will not do and make sure that all can agree.

Then why did you completely ignore the message this Seamus fellow was giving you?

there some flaws and defects to the bill.
first of all it bypass some privacy laws and second of it companies will/may disclose user information to the gov't without user permission...

Then why did you completely ignore the message this Seamus fellow was giving you?

there some flaws and defects to the bill.
first of all it bypass some privacy laws and second of it companies will/may disclose user information to the gov't without user permission...

Reality check: as long as IPs are stored anywhere, most places already will/may disclose user information to the government.  It is all a part of how things work.  If the government has a search warrant to check you out because you could be breaking some law, all they have to do is flash the warrant and say "gimme all information you collect on this person." 

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There doesn't need to be a solution at all.

The people in charge of this shit need to get their heads out of their arse.

Why do people pirate?
Try before Buy.

It doesn't get any simpler than that, if I like it I'll buy it.


They complain that they are losing money because of piracy... No they're fucking not, if anything they are getting MORE money.

How many musicians would you know about if it weren't for piracy?
I'll bet fuck all. I'll guarantee that the music industry is doing just fine thanks to all the concerts they have.

How many films would you have bought from the store if you didn't think it was good?
Well hey, that's another thing that piracy does. Gives you an incentive to think "Hey this was pretty good, I think I'll support the creators by buying it from the store".

How many awesome games would you have played otherwise?
I can tell you that I would've NEVER discovered Tales of Symphonia if I didn't pirate that game. It is rare as fucking hell in my country, and now I'm a full supporter and payer of the franchise.


This fucking bill has NOTHING to do with piracy, and the government fucking knows it. It's just a way for them to censor the internet against anything that they deem is a threat to THEIR popularity.
You seen that list for the blacklist on SOPA, I guarantee that a lot of them weren't doing anything with piracy.


And last but certainly not fucking least. The very idea that this bill will stop child porn is just plain fucking stupid. I have seen the worst kind of shit on the interest (amputated shit, beheadings, skull fucking, lighting people on fire). NEVER, not even once, have I seen someone fucking a kid.

Whoever came up with that bullshit idea that Child Porn is rampant on the internet obviously hasn't been on the fucking thing.
And I don't know about you, but even if it was running rampant, I would legalize that shit. It's much better to have a pedophile masturbating in his basement over pictures on the internet over doing it the old fashioned way.






So with all that in mind. Why do we need any type of bill that censors the internet?
To censor freedom of speech. It has no reason to stop piracy, it has no real reason to stop Child Porn, it has no real fucking reason to give you an ass fucking when you want to listen to some music, and best of all, it has no reason to fucking exist besides anyone's interest who did not create the fucking thing.

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I'm not going to pretend it's something it's not because I'm not big on conspiracy bullshit, but it IS a bill to prevent piracy because the film industry is paying these people to make the bill happen.  They aren't trying to censor the internet but it will inevitably happen if it goes through.  Don't get your facts confused.  All of this stems from piracy of entertainment.  They just happen to be targeting other things as well as the piracy issue and THAT is why it needs to be stopped.  Now let's get back to reality here and make sure we are all understanding what we know and not what we think we know, okay? 

As I stated, I am neither for nor against piracy and I see it as you pointed out "Try it before you buy it" but at the same time, I can't honestly tell you anyone that actually buys their software, movies or music after they tried it because they already have it, they already seen it, they already played it or it's too expensive to buy on a measly income so honestly, our argument of "Try it before you buy it" does not hold much weight these days, especially with services like netflix, trial software and youtube (vevo).  I mean, call me devil's advocate here, but I can see all sides of this and there really DOES need to be a solution agreed on by the entire population of our planet because frankly, a bill like SOPA and CISPA is inevitable as long as we don't put our foot down and say "this is how we are willing to bend if you are willing to bend yourself...otherwise, we want you out of the office."  We need to make sure the bill is stated in plain words what it is intended for, what it is will do and what it will not do and make sure that all can agree.

Do you believe that they will willingly step out of office just because the population said so.
Likely they have another bill that was made in secret to prevent that from happening.

But if you think that would work, go for it.


Also I don't know whether or not you're disagreeing with InfiniteKnowledge

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There doesn't need to be a solution at all.

The people in charge of this shit need to get their heads out of their arse.

Why do people pirate?
Try before Buy.

It doesn't get any simpler than that, if I like it I'll buy it.


They complain that they are losing money because of piracy... No they're fucking not, if anything they are getting MORE money.

How many musicians would you know about if it weren't for piracy?
I'll bet fuck all. I'll guarantee that the music industry is doing just fine thanks to all the concerts they have.

How many films would you have bought from the store if you didn't think it was good?
Well hey, that's another thing that piracy does. Gives you an incentive to think "Hey this was pretty good, I think I'll support the creators by buying it from the store".

How many awesome games would you have played otherwise?
I can tell you that I would've NEVER discovered Tales of Symphonia if I didn't pirate that game. It is rare as fucking hell in my country, and now I'm a full supporter and payer of the franchise.


This fucking bill has NOTHING to do with piracy, and the government fucking knows it. It's just a way for them to censor the internet against anything that they deem is a threat to THEIR popularity.
You seen that list for the blacklist on SOPA, I guarantee that a lot of them weren't doing anything with piracy.


And last but certainly not fucking least. The very idea that this bill will stop child porn is just plain fucking stupid. I have seen the worst kind of shit on the interest (amputated shit, beheadings, skull fucking, lighting people on fire). NEVER, not even once, have I seen someone fucking a kid.

Whoever came up with that bullshit idea that Child Porn is rampant on the internet obviously hasn't been on the fucking thing.
And I don't know about you, but even if it was running rampant, I would legalize that shit. It's much better to have a pedophile masturbating in his basement over pictures on the internet over doing it the old fashioned way.






So with all that in mind. Why do we need any type of bill that censors the internet?
To censor freedom of speech. It has no reason to stop piracy, it has no real reason to stop Child Porn, it has no real fucking reason to give you an ass fucking when you want to listen to some music, and best of all, it has no reason to fucking exist besides anyone's interest who did not create the fucking thing.

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I'm not going to pretend it's something it's not because I'm not big on conspiracy bullshit, but it IS a bill to prevent piracy because the film industry is paying these people to make the bill happen.  They aren't trying to censor the internet but it will inevitably happen if it goes through.  Don't get your facts confused.  All of this stems from piracy of entertainment.  They just happen to be targeting other things as well as the piracy issue and THAT is why it needs to be stopped.  Now let's get back to reality here and make sure we are all understanding what we know and not what we think we know, okay? 

As I stated, I am neither for nor against piracy and I see it as you pointed out "Try it before you buy it" but at the same time, I can't honestly tell you anyone that actually buys their software, movies or music after they tried it because they already have it, they already seen it, they already played it or it's too expensive to buy on a measly income so honestly, our argument of "Try it before you buy it" does not hold much weight these days, especially with services like netflix, trial software and youtube (vevo).  I mean, call me devil's advocate here, but I can see all sides of this and there really DOES need to be a solution agreed on by the entire population of our planet because frankly, a bill like SOPA and CISPA is inevitable as long as we don't put our foot down and say "this is how we are willing to bend if you are willing to bend yourself...otherwise, we want you out of the office."  We need to make sure the bill is stated in plain words what it is intended for, what it is will do and what it will not do and make sure that all can agree.

Do you believe that they will willingly step out of office just because the population said so.
Likely they have another bill that was made in secret to prevent that from happening.

But if you think that would work, go for it.


Also I don't know whether or not you're disagreeing with InfiniteKnowledge

Um, kinda confused here, too.

Do you believe that they will willingly step out of office just because the population said so.

Uh, democracy?

I think that it has been a long while since any country had a true democracy.

Assholes who hold power always find a way to keep it.



Also off-topic... 8/10 times I see your avatar. I'm close to doing that same pose

Assholes who hold power always find a way to keep it.

True.

True.

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There doesn't need to be a solution at all.

The people in charge of this shit need to get their heads out of their arse.

Why do people pirate?
Try before Buy.

It doesn't get any simpler than that, if I like it I'll buy it.


They complain that they are losing money because of piracy... No they're fucking not, if anything they are getting MORE money.

How many musicians would you know about if it weren't for piracy?
I'll bet fuck all. I'll guarantee that the music industry is doing just fine thanks to all the concerts they have.

How many films would you have bought from the store if you didn't think it was good?
Well hey, that's another thing that piracy does. Gives you an incentive to think "Hey this was pretty good, I think I'll support the creators by buying it from the store".

How many awesome games would you have played otherwise?
I can tell you that I would've NEVER discovered Tales of Symphonia if I didn't pirate that game. It is rare as fucking hell in my country, and now I'm a full supporter and payer of the franchise.


This fucking bill has NOTHING to do with piracy, and the government fucking knows it. It's just a way for them to censor the internet against anything that they deem is a threat to THEIR popularity.
You seen that list for the blacklist on SOPA, I guarantee that a lot of them weren't doing anything with piracy.


And last but certainly not fucking least. The very idea that this bill will stop child porn is just plain fucking stupid. I have seen the worst kind of shit on the interest (amputated shit, beheadings, skull fucking, lighting people on fire). NEVER, not even once, have I seen someone fucking a kid.

Whoever came up with that bullshit idea that Child Porn is rampant on the internet obviously hasn't been on the fucking thing.
And I don't know about you, but even if it was running rampant, I would legalize that shit. It's much better to have a pedophile masturbating in his basement over pictures on the internet over doing it the old fashioned way.






So with all that in mind. Why do we need any type of bill that censors the internet?
To censor freedom of speech. It has no reason to stop piracy, it has no real reason to stop Child Porn, it has no real fucking reason to give you an ass fucking when you want to listen to some music, and best of all, it has no reason to fucking exist besides anyone's interest who did not create the fucking thing.

Spoiler for Other Long Ass Quote:

I'm not going to pretend it's something it's not because I'm not big on conspiracy bullshit, but it IS a bill to prevent piracy because the film industry is paying these people to make the bill happen.  They aren't trying to censor the internet but it will inevitably happen if it goes through.  Don't get your facts confused.  All of this stems from piracy of entertainment.  They just happen to be targeting other things as well as the piracy issue and THAT is why it needs to be stopped.  Now let's get back to reality here and make sure we are all understanding what we know and not what we think we know, okay? 

As I stated, I am neither for nor against piracy and I see it as you pointed out "Try it before you buy it" but at the same time, I can't honestly tell you anyone that actually buys their software, movies or music after they tried it because they already have it, they already seen it, they already played it or it's too expensive to buy on a measly income so honestly, our argument of "Try it before you buy it" does not hold much weight these days, especially with services like netflix, trial software and youtube (vevo).  I mean, call me devil's advocate here, but I can see all sides of this and there really DOES need to be a solution agreed on by the entire population of our planet because frankly, a bill like SOPA and CISPA is inevitable as long as we don't put our foot down and say "this is how we are willing to bend if you are willing to bend yourself...otherwise, we want you out of the office."  We need to make sure the bill is stated in plain words what it is intended for, what it is will do and what it will not do and make sure that all can agree.

Do you believe that they will willingly step out of office just because the population said so.
Likely they have another bill that was made in secret to prevent that from happening.

But if you think that would work, go for it.


Also I don't know whether or not you're disagreeing with InfiniteKnowledge

That is why I have previously mentioned impeachment.  It is not a matter of them willingly stepping out of office.  It is a part of our rights as citizens.

And I'm for the most part disagreeing with the assessment that it has nothing to do with piracy and that is all about censorship.  I am in agreement that censorship is a bad thing that will come of this bill but I do not agree with the notion that the entire thing is written to do just that.