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RMRK General => Video Games and Entertainment => Topic started by: tSwitch on November 10, 2008, 05:18:24 PM
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what the hell does this matter?
I browse gaming forums and all I see is this huge Consoles VS PC war all over the place.
PC users all seem stuck up and elitist, talking about consoles like some sort of Virus. And Console users attack PC users, saying consoles are better due to lack of bugs and easier online play or whatever they happen to say.
I used to prefer consoles and controllers, but I'd get bitched at all the time by my brothers over who got to play next, or about some tv show that was about to come on, and it became a huge hassle. Then I got a good pc and I can now play my favorite games whenever I want (I also find I prefer the mouse/keyboard over a controller, to be honest).
All a console is, is a dumb computer that can't do anything but play games. I.e. a computer made -purely- for gaming. (of course, in the eyes of a PC gamer, that's all a computer is too, a machine made for gaming.)
This seems to insult people on both ends. PC users flame for "comparing my rig to that piece of garbage" and console gamers can't get over themselves and admit that a console -is- a computer, insisting that "no way, it's a gaming console, not a computer, get the shit out of your brain"
And now, I see people raging at the developers for "trying to be a console bitch" when they put matchmaking in a PC game, for instance. Completely disregarding that it's necessary for that type of game, just raging at "this console shit infecting our PC games" while the consolers find their way onto the forums and rage and flame about how "your PC shit is so buggy my game is working perfectly stupid PC fag."
I'll re-iterate.
what the hell does this matter?
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
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All a console is, is a dumb computer that can't do anything but play games.
I've been streaming videos to my 360 lately.
You can browse the web, check the weather, check the news, edit photos, and all sorts of shit on the Wii.
You can install fucking Linux on the PS3.
Don't tell me that a console can't do anything but play games.
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All a console is, is a dumb computer that can't do anything but play games.
I've been streaming videos to my 360 lately.
You can browse the web, check the weather, check the news, edit photos, and all sorts of shit on the Wii.
You can install fucking Linux on the PS3.
Don't tell me that a console can't do anything but play games.
ok then, that just makes my point even more concrete. A game system is just a computer.
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I like console games because of the feel of playing a game, I prefer fighters and more physical action games, such as Devil May Cry, Silent Hill, to be on consoles.
The PC, I prefer because of the higher graphic settings for myself, and I prefer more slower paced games or first person shooters, they come more naturally to me on a PC.
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USER. CREATED. CONTENT.
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There seems to be a natural rift between PC gamers and console gamers, I think it is dumb too, but it just sort of naturally happens. In most cases, when a machine(Like a phone or something) goes for the all-in-one approach (Ipod- Listen to music, browse the internet, and play games AT THE SAME TIME!)(I made that up .-.) it usually isn't too successful, but the PC is a all-in-one machine that works. My father (For whatever reason) Seems to prefer PC games to console games, While I myself usually aim for console games (Nintendo fangirl <3). I prefer console games because most of the PC games i own are shooters, And i can't do shooters .-. Other than that, i only really ever use my computer for the internet applications, when i start a PC game up the obsession doesn't keep hold of me for as long, while consoles seem to keep me locked to the screen. That in itself could make the rift. Okay, i lost track of what I was saying(Again). I promise i'll have a clear point next time ;9
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To be honest with you i would have to say that a console is better for gaming in my oppinion!
Theres's a much wider variety of games for console, where as pc games are nearly of FPS or somthing along those lines.
The games are MUCH easier to play dies to the fact of the controller (I know you can get them for PC but the blow cock.)
Online with consoles aren't full with Elitists calling people n00bs because other people have a life and dont sit on there arse all day playing nothing but Crysis. Online with consoles has a much friendlier community all though you still get some idiots on there.
PC's were designed to do much, much more than play game's and all though PC games can be cool (all though i only like the The Elder Scrolls) a PC gamer goes out and senselessly spends THOUSANDS just to play the latest game that every one is raving about (Just like the did with Crysis.)
Console's are simpler and are ultimatley cheaper in the long run as you dont have to upgrade.
so yeah Console gets my vote.
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You can't mod on a console game without risking a complete screw-up of the game.
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I prefer consoles for most games simply because A: a lot of my favourite games aren't sold for the PC, and B: consoles are much cheaper and stay useable for a longer time - every game released for the console will work in the best capacity. I bought my computer in 2005 and wasn't even able to run Oblivion on my computer, and it came out the same year or in early 2006. Point being, games made for a console will run well no matter what.
Anyway, it doesn't make a big difference. I like PC games too, I just don't like having to buy a new computer every time a game comes out. I think they both have strengths and weaknesses.
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ok Adz, I'm not a PC jerk, but everything you just said is screaming inaccuracy and I would feel remiss as a geek to -not- point out your glaring inaccuracies. That being said, I'm playing devil's advocate.
Theres's a much wider variety of games for console, where as pc games are nearly of FPS or somthing along those lines.
ok I call bullshit on this one.
I've seen FPS, RTS, TBS, RPG, 3rdPS, Racing games, Fighting games, Sports Games, and anything else you could think of on PC.
The games are MUCH easier to play dies to the fact of the controller (I know you can get them for PC but the blow cock.)
I'll call bullshit here too. First off, most PC gamers will probably find the keyboard easier to play with than a controller. If they don't, they can use an Xbox 360 controller if they want, or some top of the line gamepad as well. They don't blow cock if you spend more than $10 on one.
Online with consoles aren't full with Elitists calling people n00bs because other people have a life and dont sit on there arse all day playing nothing but Crysis. Online with consoles has a much friendlier community all though you still get some idiots on there.
again, bullshit. you're right, they don't sit their ass all day playing nothing but Crysis. they sit on their ass all day playing nothing but Halo 3. And the communities are just as filled with elitist assholes as each other.
PC's were designed to do much, much more than play game's and all though PC games can be cool (all though i only like the The Elder Scrolls) a PC gamer goes out and senselessly spends THOUSANDS just to play the latest game that every one is raving about (Just like the did with Crysis.)
A good gaming computer (for a few thousand dollars) will last you a loooong time. It's more than just to play one single game. Crysis can be run on low spec on computers that cost less than a thousand dollars. I've seen it done.
Console's are simpler and are ultimatley cheaper in the long run as you dont have to upgrade.
less like "don't have to" and more like "can't"
Also don't forget the television, if you want a good one for your console you better be ready to spring some major cash. Bringing the console cost up to...about that of a decent computer.
The games also seem to cost more, seeing as you have HUGE name brands all over the case, i.e. the company name (Bioshock PS3 went for $60, I got it through steam for $50 I think)
Consoles also can't get patches, user created content, or mods, without voiding warranties, or needing special hack chips which are quite expensive to buy, and install (and heaven forbid you should mess up and have to buy the console all over again)
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Most of this war is a war of arrogance and ignorance. Modern console games are becoming more like PC games in nearly every way. Console people are usually biased because the first games that they played were on a console, and PC gamers the exact opposite. A game is a game, and this is an immature thing to take a side on. There are obvious positives to both, and an equal amount of negatives. Not only is it a matter of personal preference, but who really gives a shit, anyway? Fanboys. Those are the only people that really care. Fanboys and children. If you strongly oppose one gaming medium over another, you are one of those two.
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Most of this war is a war of arrogance and ignorance. Modern console games are becoming more like PC games in nearly every way. Console people are usually biased because the first games that they played were on a console, and PC gamers the exact opposite. A game is a game, and this is an immature thing to take a side on. There are obvious positives to both, and an equal amount of negatives. Not only is it a matter of personal preference, but who really gives a shit, anyway? Fanboys. Those are the only people that really care. Fanboys and children. If you strongly oppose one gaming medium over another, you are one of those two.
thank you Holk, I'm glad someone agrees with my main point in all of this.
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@ NAMKCOR
well if i wanted to upgrade my PC i could as i am qualified and am an MCP aswell.
The only decent games other than black and white and the elder scrolls on the PC ARE FPS have you ever seen a decent sports game on the PC? i know i haven't.
I would also find it hard to spend more than $10 on a game pad due to the fact im British if i were to buy one it would be aroud £15.
Also on the Crysis thing on live, i got confused with what i was saying >.< and agin with Crysis i have NEVER seen it able to run on a low spec puter that cost less than £500 so i call bullshit on that one!
Yes you can get mods and patches for consoles i.e the 360 you can download them from the pc and send them to your hard drive. It's not hard. Also the PSP you can hack them and never have to spend another penny buying games, so bullshit to your mods and patches theory. $50 for Bioshock? In the UK its possible to get it for £20 (around $40) so i don't know where your getting your games from but you're being screwed.
And WHY would you by a T.V. ONLY for your console that would be plain stupid! I play the 360 on a standard tube T.V. nothing special about it, no HD, it's not a plasma screen and it still looks good so no your comment on the T.V. is void if you ask me, even IF you dont think so it still is as it has ALOT more use's than just for a console.
AND if you strongly agree with Holk why are you arguing back? That's just a tad bit contradictive.
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The only decent games other than black and white and the elder scrolls on the PC ARE FPS have you ever seen a decent sports game on the PC? i know i haven't.
I haven't played a decent sports game on a console either.
sports games suck.
I would also find it hard to spend more than $10 on a game pad due to the fact im British if i were to buy one it would be aroud £15.
my point still stands. good controllers cost more than $10. I dont' care what currency you use.
Also on the Crysis thing on live, i got confused with what i was saying >.< and agin with Crysis i have NEVER seen it able to run on a low spec puter that cost less than £500 so i call bullshit on that one!
£500 means nothing to me. I don't know pounds.
Also, I never said a low-end computer can run it. I said a computer that costs less than a thousand dollars can run the game on low spec. As in with quality settings -turned down-
Yes you can get mods and patches for consoles i.e the 360 you can download them from the pc and send them to your hard drive.
Go play some custom TF2 maps on those matchmaking servers then.
It's not hard. Also the PSP you can hack them and never have to spend another penny buying games, so bullshit to your mods and patches theory.
And then you can't get support for the PSP because you did something that is technically illegal.
So I suppose the 360 is getting all those TF2 patches. You know, the ones with the extra achievements and weapons? I know the PC is... Wait, you're not? What? The 360 doesn't get patches?
The only 'patch' a console might get it something to fix glitches. Devs don't patch in extra content for consoles the way they do for PCs. And as Halo said. User created content.
$50 for Bioshock? In the UK its possible to get it for £20 (around $40) so i don't know where your getting your games from but you're being screwed.
I got it when it first came out, when it costed more than a used copy on the shelf. I also bought it through steam.
edit: the price doesn't even matter, I don't even remember how much it costed. All I know is it costed less than it does for consoles, which was my point.
And WHY would you by a T.V. ONLY for your console that would be plain stupid!
Well cable sucks why would I want to buy a TV for that? .-.
AND if you strongly agree with Holk why are you arguing back? That's just a tad bit contradictive.
ok Adz, I'm not a PC jerk, but everything you just said is screaming inaccuracy and I would feel remiss as a geek to -not- point out your glaring inaccuracies. That being said, I'm playing devil's advocate.
ok Adz, I'm not a PC jerk, but everything you just said is screaming inaccuracy and I would feel remiss as a geek to -not- point out your glaring inaccuracies. That being said, I'm playing devil's advocate.
That being said, I'm playing devil's advocate.
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cos we dont get cable, we get satalite and freeview and its actually good!
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Online with consoles aren't full with Elitists calling people n00bs because other people have a life and dont sit on there arse all day playing nothing but Crysis. Online with consoles has a much friendlier community all though you still get some idiots on there.
I played Crysis for a weekend and haven't touched it since. Also, the people on Xbox Live are horrid compared to anywhere else. People on PC games tend to be nicer because most of them are older than 15.
well if i wanted to upgrade my PC i could as i am qualified and am an MCP aswell.
Gee I can upgrade my PC and i'm only qualified to be an Abraham Lincoln impersonator, it's not like you need a degree in theoretical physics to do it.
NAMKCOR pretty much said the rest.
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I like my good old PC. I have all the games I need and more.
Oblivion
Emulators (SNES NES GBA GB PSX)
I watch TV on it (torrented episodes of shows I like) and movies.
500$
2 processors running - AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-60
2.00 GHz Performance Rated at 4.19 GHz
System RAM 3.9 GB
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition, 64-bit
ATI Radeon X1270 (ATI Radeon X1200 Series (0x791F))
DVD HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-T20F ATA Device
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The only decent games other than black and white and the elder scrolls on the PC ARE FPS have you ever seen a decent sports game on the PC? i know i haven't.
Also on the Crysis thing on live, i got confused with what i was saying >.< and agin with Crysis i have NEVER seen it able to run on a low spec puter that cost less than £500 so i call bullshit on that one!
Yes you can get mods and patches for consoles i.e the 360 you can download them from the pc and send them to your hard drive. It's not hard. Also the PSP you can hack them and never have to spend another penny buying games, so bullshit to your mods and patches theory. $50 for Bioshock? In the UK its possible to get it for £20 (around $40) so i don't know where your getting your games from but you're being screwed.
I have a PC that cost me just under £400, and i can run crysis on high :/
I dont know how you think £15 is allot for a PC controller, and sports games on PC?
Most Sports games that are on Console are on PC
And about Bioshock, he said for the PS3, it is possible to get it for 360 for £20 from places like gamestation, but it is brand new on PS3 and going for around £35 still ($70)
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Online with consoles aren't full with Elitists calling people n00bs because other people have a life and dont sit on there arse all day playing nothing but Crysis. Online with consoles has a much friendlier community all though you still get some idiots on there.
I played Crysis for a weekend and haven't touched it since. Also, the people on Xbox Live are horrid compared to anywhere else. People on PC games tend to be nicer because most of them are older than 15.
well if i wanted to upgrade my PC i could as i am qualified and am an MCP aswell.
Gee I can upgrade my PC and i'm only qualified to be an Abraham Lincoln impersonator, it's not like you need a degree in theoretical physics to do it.
NAMKCOR pretty much said the rest.
Agreed.
I think a PC is a lot more bang for you buck since you can torrent pretty much any game hours after it's release, compared to 60/50$ for a new console game. You can watch pretty much any television show for free (legally too), watch DVDs for less tahn the price of a DVD player...and plug your consoles into your monitor (provided that it has the hookups), so you got the best of both worlds. =D
@Irock: My machine that's almost 10 years old in some departments can run linux too. :tpg: