alchemy

ok aclhemy has been practised for year. way back beforethe roman times. its not like in FMA how thay can trasmute objests into another object yet that was ever ones goul, but they whonted simple things such as turning lead into gold. but alchemy is dont by ever one ever day persay for exapmle, heating water turning it into steam is a form of alchemy, very simple but we dont call it achemey we call it simple science. but do you think sooner or later this simple form of alchemy will grow to bigger things. i mean they already found a way to turn coal into diamonds and thats a not so simple alchemy.

Mainly changing one thing to another is just complex editing of the objects make up. If you think about it, the law of "Energy cannot neither be destroyed are created" helps support that if we mastered editing the make-up of objects we could remake non-renewable resources.

Alchemy does not belong in "Intelligent" Debate.

Alchemy does not belong in "Intelligent" Debate.

Actualy it does since it is practiced by many people, some see it as a sin (satan's magic, etc.) and some see it as a miricle.

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LOL, back on topic -

Actualy Soul (can I just say gongo, or should I say soul), the reason we call it science as opposed to alchemy is simple. Alchemy is a mixture of magic and science. Magic is just magic. Science is just science. Alchemy is the medium between them.

We use convection to turn water into steam, but that actualy comes from somewhere. If alchemy were used, we'd have to produce heat from the air, without using convection (magic) and then scientificly produce steam.

what you are saying is.. "magic exists"?
did you learn that in the church too? Xx

Alchemy turned into chemestry...its just now they come to more rational thinking.

Alchemy is dated bullshit!

You cannot possibly say that alchemy is in any way possible. Sort of like seph said, the idea of alchemy was based on the observation of how some things change form into other things. We now know the science behind this and it is called CHEMISTRY. Alchemy had the right idea, but ultimately was all wrong. Alchemy is impossible.

Alchemy is dated bullshit!

Honestly, don't say anything if you have no evidence to support your bold statement. Alchemy is indeed real. Here's some examples.

-In 1919, Ernest Rutherford used artificial disintegration to convert nitrogen into oxygen

-In 1964, George Ohsawa and Michio Kushi, based on the claims of Louis Kervran, reportedly successfully transmutated sodium into potassium, by use of an electric arc, and later of carbon and oxygen into iron

Theres your dated bullshit in the works.
There is a fine line between Chemistry and Alchemy.

alchemy is basically chemistry and that is science and science ill continue to get better...

btw...

in a facility called CREN they have a tiny ammount of anti-matter which is the most powerful explosive and could be used to power cars and houses etc.

Alchemy is dated bullshit!

Honestly, don't say anything if you have no evidence to support your bold statement. Alchemy is indeed real. Here's some examples.

-In 1919, Ernest Rutherford used artificial disintegration to convert nitrogen into oxygen

-In 1964, George Ohsawa and Michio Kushi, based on the claims of Louis Kervran, reportedly successfully transmutated sodium into potassium, by use of an electric arc, and later of carbon and oxygen into iron

Theres your dated bullshit in the works.
There is a fine line between Chemistry and Alchemy.

XD, are u a geek? (Joke)

what you are saying is.. "magic exists"?
did you learn that in the church too? Xx

Lol, no I didn't learn that in church, but what I did learn is that the Devil has power over the earth (as of now) and *lends* power to anyone whom would further his goals.

So, that's the theory of devil magic.

I don't believe in real magic either.

I simply mean that the difference between alchemy and science (or as said before - chemistry) is this.

You think on this scale

Alchemy = Science

But Alchemy  is a mixture of  science and magic. so...

Magic = Alchemy / Science  (I like algebraic expressions -_-)
Science = Alchemy / Magic
Alchemy = Science * Magic

or Alchemy = A mixture of Science and magic

Lol, no I didn't learn that in church, but what I did learn is that the Devil has power over the earth (as of now) and *lends* power to anyone whom would further his goals.

So, that's the theory of devil magic.

I don't believe in real magic either.

I simply mean that the difference between alchemy and science (or as said before - chemistry) is this.

You think on this scale

Alchemy = Science

But Alchemy  is a mixture of  science and magic. so...

Magic = Alchemy / Science  (I like algebraic expressions -_-)
Science = Alchemy / Magic
Alchemy = Science * Magic

or Alchemy = A mixture of Science and magic

now do you see why alot of christians who go to the church lose all believe in god and think it's all bs?

ok let's play your game tsu
if the devil has power over the earth why doesn't mr devil finish the work (takes over, kills stuff so on)
you'll now say god this god that
so, if god this and that, why doesn't god stop the devil from "lending powers"
say he can't do that for some reason, why doesn't he "lend powers" to goodie good people to make the world .. less horrible? -.-

Science = Alchemy / Magic

yes you are right

Science= bullshit/bullshit

bullshit= X
X/X = 1
Science = 1. (meaning it's true)

Alchemy = Science * Magic
Alchemy = 1* bullshit
Alchemy = bullshit.

still all true.

Magic = bullshit / 1
so magic= bullshit

well.. there you have it, maths just proved itself.

Lol, no I didn't learn that in church, but what I did learn is that the Devil has power over the earth (as of now) and *lends* power to anyone whom would further his goals.

So, that's the theory of devil magic.

I don't believe in real magic either.

I simply mean that the difference between alchemy and science (or as said before - chemistry) is this.

You think on this scale

Alchemy = Science

But Alchemy  is a mixture of  science and magic. so...

Magic = Alchemy / Science  (I like algebraic expressions -_-)
Science = Alchemy / Magic
Alchemy = Science * Magic

or Alchemy = A mixture of Science and magic

now do you see why alot of christians who go to the church lose all believe in god and think it's all bs?

ok let's play your game tsu
if the devil has power over the earth why doesn't mr devil finish the work (takes over, kills stuff so on)
you'll now say god this god that
so, if god this and that, why doesn't god stop the devil from "lending powers"
say he can't do that for some reason, why doesn't he "lend powers" to goodie good people to make the world .. less horrible? -.-

Science = Alchemy / Magic

yes you are right

Science= bullshit/bullshit

bullshit= X
X/X = 1
Science = 1. (meaning it's true)

Alchemy = Science * Magic
Alchemy = 1* bullshit
Alchemy = bullshit.

still all true.

Magic = bullshit / 1
so magic= bullshit

well.. there you have it, maths just proved itself.

You play way to many video games.

hy doesn't he "lend powers" to goodie good people to make the world .. less horrible? -.-

because god gives you the choice of what you want to do.
He made it that if you want to be bad you be bad.if you wanna be good you be good.
The actions you take will ultimetly deciede where you go after you die.

You play way to many video games.

 :roll: it's simple maths...
but seeing as you thought it's a video game i can also see why you are retarded enough to come up with

because god gives you the choice of what you want to do.
He made it that if you want to be bad you be bad.if you wanna be good you be good.
The actions you take will ultimetly deciede where you go after you die.

it's ok, one day your brain might wake up.
until then...
thanks for the laugh

Magic and science are the same thing.
Just you call it magic when science cant explain it and science when you can.

magic as in for exapmle harry potter is not real

what im saying is Alchemy is trasmuting matter from 1 form to another, not useing magic but  Science . it is a  Science  not magic (the cast magic i mean like in books) . it is very real

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what you are saying is.. "magic exists"?
did you learn that in the church too? Xx

the magic your thinking of~ no it dont exist

Alchemy~yes it dos very exist.

and why do you hate relion so munch blue, if some one wishs to berlive then its up to them, dont berlive then dont hack into people who perlive or there relion.

any way back to topic now

why do i hate religions? cause they prove how much humans can be dumb
it's nothing but the chains of the past and such as those forgetting it is a terrible thing, but living by it is even worse.

(history is to be learned and not to be repeated. - life's most important lesson and no one seems to be able to learn it)

as for changing matter to another form

of course it's possible, it's just not often that humans can do it, it's the nature's job and usually it take quite alot of years

you cannot ignore how diamonds are formed, how planets are builded out of the destruction of others and so on.

BUT when talking about "Alchemy" it usually refer to humans using magic to change a thing to another, usually coal to gold

even using science as the "key" to do what nature does, this task is atm extremly hard for humans and maybe even impossible for time being.

so just let nature do it's work, it does it alot better than you could do for at least the next 100-200 years (i am pointing at such a short period of time because the world evolved madly fast the last 150-200 years or so, which is btw because of the fall of the believe that the church knows everything and the bible is always right- resulting in further researches about why and where and how come and all sorts of questions that were only explained by the word god, resulting in improving the human life style by at least 10kk% and resulting also in wars which forced the technology to evolve even quicker, so say what you want to say, anyone who believes in the church's god holds the humanity tech proccess back)

I think Soul is right, Alchemy does exist.

IRONIC SIGNATURE

alchemy...

an archaic science suscribed to a period where the scientists did not share the things they found out about chemicals/powders/liquids.

Each alchemist had to figure out on their own that drinking mercury was bad for you....
A common example used  to explain what alchemists were trying to do is the whole lead to gold speal that a kindergarden teacher will give instead of a real lesson....

I learned in CP Chemistry... that what alchemists were trying to do was actually possible but we dont have equipment needed to make the subatomic change in electrons

But we are working on it. We have actually teleported- TELEPORTED, FOR REALS, one subatomic matierial, over a distance of I THINK about...Well it's less than a foot.

Gravedigging i forgive but why the hell do you guys see some topic on page 3!
or 2..
especially in spam n all..

It's ok, since he has contributed something useful to the topic. And he's right about that. Alchemie was before Chemie, when people didn't share their knowledge. But there is more. They believed that combining different elements/things, they could create magic.

If you look at magic as something that is not supernatural, but is simply something that hasn't been eplained, then yeah, I think you could.

But we are working on it. We have actually teleported- TELEPORTED, FOR REALS, one subatomic matierial, over a distance of I THINK about...Well it's less than a foot.

I've also heard since then they have telported a virus 10 feet or so... anways when it "came out" on the other side it was fried and upsidedown.... it seems that we have a long way to go in both cases

Alchemy=Chemistry

Plus, if you haven't watched FMA, we are in the Physics world. We can't transmute. (DUH!)
It would be nice if we could transmute...

In another way to answer a previous question.

Why does God allow us to sin against Him? If He's so powerful why doesn't he just destroy the devil then and there?

The answer is actually quite simple.
We are in a battle, Satan and his legion on one side, God and his angels on the other.
BTW: For those that don't know, Satan and his legion make up 1/3 of the original angels, they became demons when they tried a coup and failed. Miserably. They hate us because God loves us, and try to destroy us because that will hurt God. And they cannot hurt Him directly.

I'm going to use the parable of a father and two sons. (Not the one from the Bible, but similar)

Both sons despise the father, spit in his face, and desert him. They go to live on their own.
Now which would make the father happier, to force them to return home, or if they made the decision on their own? Let's continue -

The father commands one son to return home, the father has ultimate control over this boy, so the boy returns. The boy is there, but he is still spiteful. This makes the father wonder if it was worth it. Years later, the second son's life comes to a halt, every is taken from him. He realizes how good he had it with his father and returns willingly. When the father sees him, he runs to him and, crying, embraces his son. Both of their souls overflowing with joy,... while the other son stares spitefuly.

A very nice example, good job with that.

Devil = Lucifer, the very first angel

God wouldn't want to kill his own son, even if he despites him for whatever reason.

Alchemy is not about transmuting materials to gold. It is not about chemistry. It is not about magic.

Alchemy is way of life. That's right. It is a ideology. A religion. And as every religion has it goal, to become perfection, to be resurrected, or to accomplish nirvana, in the same way alchemy has it's goal to accomplish perfection. In that time gold was treated like perfect metal. So alchemists wanted to make other metals into gold to make them perfect, but that was not even close to the core of alchemy, as I said it is the way of life.

Alchemists never, NEVER, managed to accomplished their goal. They NEVER transmuted other material into gold. That was their search for holy grail, that they never accomplished. In the history there were many forgers, that made chemical processes modern chemistry knows about to make some metals look like gold, nothing special, but they earned for their living. So forgery was about making other metal looks like gold, not alchemy. It is true modern chemistry can be very grateful to alchemy, but alchemists never meant to make such breakthroughs, they were only interested in their philosophy and perfection. A digression if you like. You respect Isaac Newton, right? He is a great physicist in your eyes, isn't he? A hell he is. He was alchemist. That was his life. All things he made for physics he made by the way while he deliberating about he's life - alchemy. So no one can say alchemy is bullshit, because it meant much to the world's progress.

And someone mentioned magic? Yes, some alchemists practiced magic. Magic then was popular like quantum physics is today. So they tried all methods they knew to reach perfection.

And Soul (member, not term), only thing why we can make synthetic diamonds from coal is because they are made from same element - carbon. Diamond is allotropic modification of carbon. For instance, graphite is also allotropic modification of carbon. Such different materials and they have same atoms, interesting, isn't it? But they have different structure (bond between atoms). So what scientist made was changing structure of an element. To make gold from some other element, we would need, not only change structure, but to add protons, neutrons and electrons to that metal. And I think, under condition we have technology for such thing, it would be very unprofitable. So, for current time being we can't even dream about it. I believe it will be possible one day (but also believe we will kill each others including destroying our planet before we make such breakthrough).

Seeing a new post in this topic, I was going to lock it. That was actually pretty good though.

[EDIT:] As far as me locking this topic goes, I understand your point but that isn't what this topic is about. This topic was made by some dumbass who watched an anime and was like OMG ALCHEMY COOL! I wanna do alchemy too! Then tried to say something smart about it even though he doesn't actually know anything about it. There was never really a debate as to wether the practice of alchemy helped drive forward modern science or not. I'd have to agree that it did. However alchemy, and the concept of alchemy, is fundementally flawed. In that, well, it doesn't work. Thats what I mean when I say alchemy is bullshit in response to some idiot who thinks alchemy is cool.

Let's take some definitions from our good friends Merriam and Webster.

Alchemy
1 : a medieval chemical science and speculative philosophy aiming to achieve the transmutation of the base metals into gold, the discovery of a universal cure for disease, and the discovery of a means of indefinitely prolonging life
2 : a power or process of transforming something common into something special
3 : an inexplicable or mysterious transmuting

So, according to definition one: it will never happen and is impossible.
According to definition two: would you really call the steam made from heating water "special"?
And the third definition: ANY TRANSMUTATIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN SCIENCE ARE EXPLAINABLE BY SCIENCE.

Idiots.

Alchemy is dated bullshit!

Honestly, don't say anything if you have no evidence to support your bold statement. Alchemy is indeed real. Here's some examples.

-In 1919, Ernest Rutherford used artificial disintegration to convert nitrogen into oxygen

-In 1964, George Ohsawa and Michio Kushi, based on the claims of Louis Kervran, reportedly successfully transmutated sodium into potassium, by use of an electric arc, and later of carbon and oxygen into iron

Theres your dated bullshit in the works.
There is a fine line between Chemistry and Alchemy.

Converting any of those substances to each other isn't that big of a deal, especially Na to K, since it's basically stripping a few electrons off of one atom. Also, can you cite your sources? The word "reportedly", to me, sounds like a big "didn't, but they like to claim they did."

Also, the fact that the most recent "example of alchemy" that you presented is over forty years old, making it "outdated bullshit", and you have thus negated your argument.

I have officially posted in this topic.

Any ways, Alchemy is just plain retarded. I don't need to back this statement up because it's pure common sense.

I have officially posted in this topic.

Any ways, Alchemy is just plain retarded. I don't need to back this statement up because it's pure common sense.

But, dude, just boiling water is, like, alchemy!

CORRECT! It is LIKE alchemy, but it ISN'T alchemy!

I love how there are still people posting in this topic, arguing with members here who haven't been active in over 6 months, hahahahahahahahaaaahahhhaah

alchemy is real & practiced all over the world under the modern guise of science.

when an alchemist back a few thousand years ago made something explode, they called it majick.
now when they do it they call it TNT or a nuke or a car & the process is so normal, so automated that no one notices.

the thing with alchemy is its close relationship to summoning & evocation.
those who can traverse the world in search of such precious materials & live surely has the will of the evocation on their side, beknownst or not.  many who die offended their found avatars & the extreme elements or bad equation explodes in their face.

alchemy is intelligent.
wow, i cannot believe there is so much anti-majick bias on a GAME site.  don't any of you play RPgs?
there is no difference in alchemist and warrior, chemist & cleric, pick your names, the power is all the same.

& Full metal alchemist pwns btw
trying to get the japanese versions now that i've completeed my naruto & bleach collection (sorta) ^^
don't let the forum trolls get ya down!

alchemy is real & practiced all over the world under the modern guise of science.

when an alchemist back a few thousand years ago made something explode, they called it majick.
now when they do it they call it TNT or a nuke or a car & the process is so normal, so automated that no one notices.

the thing with alchemy is its close relationship to summoning & evocation.
those who can traverse the world in search of such precious materials & live surely has the will of the evocation on their side, beknownst or not.  many who die offended their found avatars & the extreme elements or bad equation explodes in their face.

alchemy is intelligent.
wow, i cannot believe there is so much anti-majick bias on a GAME site.  don't any of you play RPgs?
there is no difference in alchemist and warrior, chemist & cleric, pick your names, the power is all the same.

& Full metal alchemist pwns btw
trying to get the japanese versions now that i've completeed my naruto & bleach collection (sorta) ^^
don't let the forum trolls get ya down!

This is supposed to be intelligent debate.

RPG stands for ROLE-PLAYING GAME. Not REAL, PROVEN FACT. I mean, if RPG stood for that, it would be called SCIENCE.

Seriously. Video games and anime are purely fantasy. Try visiting us in the real world sometime.