Huh. I think I might have encountered a UFO, but my common sense says of course not! The "Might be, might be not" occasion occured a few months ago when I was sneaking on the computer at night well past my bedtime. Around 2:42 AM. I saw some very tiny lights etc
This is very interesting. First of all I'm impressed that no one yet barged into the topic and started insulting people for believing in what we call "supernatural".
I'd also like to add that some visions you see may not always be a product of nature but a product of your mind - specially if you're seeing tall, black figures. They may be a product of a psycho disorder you may be suffering from.
Well now we know at least one if you is insane.
This is very interesting. First of all I'm impressed that no one yet barged into the topic and started insulting people for believing in what we call "supernatural".
Ghosts are likely a figment of your imagination, and any UFO is more likely to be of human creation than "aliens" or any other such nonsense.
First of all I'm impressed that no one yet barged into the topic and started insulting people for believing in what we call "supernatural".
Ghost stories now...
1. The first time I experienced a spirit It was about 8 at night and it was dark, I needed to go to my room for some reason (can't remember) and so I walked towards the hallway which was dark so I flicked teh light switch and saw the shadow of a being quickly duck in to the toilet room so I went to open the door to see what it was but the room was empty. Not a trace of a being to be found. Freaked me out.
2. The second time I was lying in my bed at night ready to sleep when I looked around and saw two small lights float around in the corner. I just closed my eyes and hoped they went away... which they did after I told them to go away.
3. Walking down the hallway to my room I saw some lights flash along the wall like somebody flashed a torch across the wall except I was home alone.
4. A few months ago I was walking to my room again to grab my Ipod when I looked down the hallway (you can see straight into my roo cause its at teh end) and saw a light shining in my room, I sniffed (because I had a cold and a runny nose), it was quite loud and the light just faded quickly...
5. My Dad was up late and cooked him self a meal. He went to sit back down once he finished he took his dishes back up and notice the oven had been turned BACK on. He had turned it off in the first place. The same also happend to me.
6. The most recent. Last night I was sitting at the copmuter at 2 o'clock in the morning, I was sitting there chatting to Djang when I looked over to the lounge area (the right of me)and a human shaped white thing appeared and dissapeared right next to me... I moved as if it whas walking. Its was pretty opaque tooo, not a solid white shape.
I think the reason I have so many stories is because:
1. I look for stuff like that in life, I don't just sit around and let it come.
2. Like AlwaysIdeas I'm a believer.
I have more but these ones are stupid... and are most definatly not real.
And people shouldn't insult or hurt people that believe in paranormal topics. They don't know what they experience. That is unfortunately the trouble with the majority of people, they don't believe until something happens to them.
A UFO is an Unidentifed Flying Object... Now many people of High acclaim have said to have seen them... They may not be from another planet or have little green men flying them, but they are different to conventional planes and Air craft, so that makes them Unidentifable... nobody has said they have seen a space ship...
So thats why nobody has really said any one has been silly in saying what they have said...
Shadow figures are some thing that people have claimed to see for years... there was once a German man who looked into this by not looking at them when he saw them, rather just watching them from the corner of his eye... he went insane...
Some things are un-explainable, that can make them fall into the releam of Supernatural and Paranomal...
I don't see why you had to go on the attack... But your right that many of these things can have multiple reasons behind them... But to discount one over the other when you was not there is not fair...
I don't know how to explain AlwaysIdeas' stories except that he is a compulsive liar. That shit is so far fetched that something must be forcing him to tell these whoppers. ALiens, perhaps?
People see shadow figures in the corner of their eye because they're an illusion, not because we naturally try to avoid them.
You should just let people believe what they want. You can't change how people feel...obviously
Attacks only trigger arguments. When dealing in delicate matters like this, you should be careful what you say.QuoteI don't know how to explain AlwaysIdeas' stories except that he is a compulsive liar. That shit is so far fetched that something must be forcing him to tell these whoppers. ALiens, perhaps?
Sorry to tell you this as well, but I'm not a liar.
He's not really attacking anyone. He's intelligently informing you of what he thinks and why he disagrees with you in a very non-offensive way
First of all I'm impressed that no one yet barged into the topic and started insulting people for believing in what we call "supernatural".
I have arrived.
Angelic_Diablo and Morris Lawry's UFO stories are so silly I can't understand why the first replies weren't "LOL u looser!!"
the_ramen_noodle's story has nothing to do with UFOs at all and it happened "well past [his] bedtime". If every strange light I saw or sound I heard was a UFO then every rock in this universe would have to have an advanced space-faring civilization on it.
GilgameshRO's story is harder to explain but there was nothing supernatural about it, and it could easily have been some sort of terrestrial aircraft.
BanisherOfEden's story is idiotic.
I don't know how to explain AlwaysIdeas' stories except that he is a compulsive liar. That shit is so far fetched that something must be forcing him to tell these whoppers. ALiens, perhaps?Ghost stories now...
1. The first time I experienced a spirit It was about 8 at night and it was dark, I needed to go to my room for some reason (can't remember) and so I walked towards the hallway which was dark so I flicked teh light switch and saw the shadow of a being quickly duck in to the toilet room so I went to open the door to see what it was but the room was empty. Not a trace of a being to be found. Freaked me out.
I've seen a million of those, they aren't spirits.Quote2. The second time I was lying in my bed at night ready to sleep when I looked around and saw two small lights float around in the corner. I just closed my eyes and hoped they went away... which they did after I told them to go away.
See above, also you were about to go to sleep.Quote3. Walking down the hallway to my room I saw some lights flash along the wall like somebody flashed a torch across the wall except I was home alone.
4. A few months ago I was walking to my room again to grab my Ipod when I looked down the hallway (you can see straight into my roo cause its at teh end) and saw a light shining in my room, I sniffed (because I had a cold and a runny nose), it was quite loud and the light just faded quickly...
Well you see spirits everywhere, don't you?Quote5. My Dad was up late and cooked him self a meal. He went to sit back down once he finished he took his dishes back up and notice the oven had been turned BACK on. He had turned it off in the first place. The same also happend to me.
Ghosts are trying to burn your house down.Quote6. The most recent. Last night I was sitting at the copmuter at 2 o'clock in the morning, I was sitting there chatting to Djang when I looked over to the lounge area (the right of me)and a human shaped white thing appeared and dissapeared right next to me... I moved as if it whas walking. Its was pretty opaque tooo, not a solid white shape.
Okay, you were
1. Looking at a computer screen at
2. 2AM, and you
3. saw a shape that looked like a person and quickly disappeared when you glanced away
Well, the facts may not agree with you but your story has convinced me!I think the reason I have so many stories is because:
1. I look for stuff like that in life, I don't just sit around and let it come.
2. Like AlwaysIdeas I'm a believer.
Exactly - you try to explain anything slightly strange by saying that it was ghosts/aliens without any other evidence. Your dad forgetting to turn the oven off is not a ghost story, no matter how sure he was that he didn't forget.QuoteI have more but these ones are stupid... and are most definatly not real.
haha oh wowAnd people shouldn't insult or hurt people that believe in paranormal topics. They don't know what they experience. That is unfortunately the trouble with the majority of people, they don't believe until something happens to them.
But they have happened to me. The only difference between me and you is that I try to come up with a theory that doesn't involve ghosts when I want to explain something unusual. To date, I have never encountered something that can't be explained as something, you know, not silly.
I DO NOT BELIEVE into ANYTHING I didn't SEE with MY OWN bare EYES
You should just let people believe what they want. You can't change how people feel...obviously
Attacks only trigger arguments. When dealing in delicate matters like this, you should be careful what you say.
Sorry to tell you this as well, but I'm not a liar.
QuotePeople see shadow figures in the corner of their eye because they're an illusion, not because we naturally try to avoid them.
I think these shadowy figures are not Human nor Ghosts or Sprites but Creatures that move in a different time zone to us... May be they are Djinn's (Jinn) The race before man that walked the Earth and got Banished to Limbo by God... I am not Musslim, but I do think this could be possible... throughout history in every race and culture they have been reported... I myself have seen them many a time... I have been held down by one and punches have been thrown at my face... I reaserched this and found many have had simular done to them, take the example of the the entity with Carla Moran...
Evidence (if you can call it that)
Djinn's - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie
Carla Moran - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carla_Moran
Held down at night - http://www.paraseek.com/discus/messages/25/486.html?WednesdayOctober1520030335pm
I know this proves very little, Djinn's like most things in religions is considered a load of rubbish in our modren day... Carla Moran is a Alias given and nobody really can say for sure what actually happened... Being Held down can be attributed to Sleep Paralasis...
All I can say is it happens to me and I know what I saw... A Hard Shadow, solid and moving around not effected by objects (distortion like a normal shadow)... I have tried to capture this on tape, I got some thing, My Camera has no night vision, the room is dull lit by my window (Room tinted a blue colour, you know)... And at the point I am held down the room Just goes Really dark... But thats hardly proof... Its so hard and fustrating to prove some thing like this... This started happening to me when I started playing with an Ouija Board and asked about GOD, I was speaking to what claimed to be called Queshed (A German name, I have found through Reaserch)... I was Called Scum three times, and the Planchet then refused to move any more... And still doesn't now...
I mean I can explain my experinces, other than other worldy ones... Like the Ouija Board can move by the subconsious mind...
Even though I was playing alone, and have never took German as a Language...
Here's my point of view, trying to handle both sides here, I prefer being a realist rather than a believer. Touche:
THE UFO: Don't know. Never saw them, never held the exact proof. Never even seen the exact proof. Yet it's possible. Specially when I think of the circles in the crops. You see, there where I live (not the USA), specially in small villages, people are far too simple minded and far too religious to go out, make fake circles, start a story about the aliens and go famous. Especially since it happened not yesterday, not 10 years ago, but a pretty long time ago. Not. As a matter of a fact, they thought it's the work of Satan (and some still do) until someone called cops to investigate, and cops called for inspectors, and they contacted scientists who arrived there and got confused. The territory is still under investigation and all who live there still speak of the strange day that occured there. What was it? Who knows. Aliens? Could be. HOWEVER, you also have people whoes hoby is receiving letters from some city in USA where they have a headquarters where they are receiving informations from something called "Starcity" in galaxy and are translating messages where "good" aliens are warning about "the bad aliens" and yadayadayada. Frankly, my dear, I believe this is complete rubbish.
THE SPIRITS: There's three of us. Those who simply do not believe. Those who believe for no particular reason that can prove something. And those who dwell in magic and spiritualism and actually deal with it and therefore believe. You see, you can slit your throat and cut your veines claiming there is no such thing as magic and spirits and you will die in false vision. There is. And it freaks me out.
I'm a realist. I do not believe in a god. Or any religion.
However, that entire idea about magic and mysticism was pretty attractive at my age of 13 so I begin my studies. First of all, it worked. Second, I was involved into spiritual summoning. Third, I've seen it, shit my pants and stopped. Until I wanted to see the theory about angels and demons. I've called for an angel (And no, it's not blonde, it's not white, it doesn't have aureola, etc, it's a simple spectral eminence), shit my pants, and quit. There is a massive community of people who deal with this and that's a fact. These things exist, and therefore a possibility of so callled "home ghosts". There are video records, stories and deaths of young people and it's rather absurd to claim how oh half of the world is in conspiracy against non-believers. That's plain stupid. I don't know about alwaysideas or gypsi thing experience but I do know what I saw. It's no trance. It's no drug or any other consuming supstance at this matter and it's no illusion as I cannot stretch my arm ten ft and knock down a plant vase, stare at the spectral creature, thank and freak out, drop the summoning and change room in illusion, rightafter going back and cleaning out the room. Not.
Some thing simply are around.
Okay I don't know if I believe the ghosty part of the stories even though half were mine.
It confuses me and I do not want to believe it.
I do believe in A'ens" I mean you can't sit there and tell me that the universe is so large and we are the only planet with any living thing on it?
If you think about it people only freak out about "Aliens" because they are different to us, yet animals (dogs, cats, lizards, monkeys, etc.) are different to us but because they have been on earth just aslong as we have we are used to them and don't think anything of it. If "Aliens" where on earth we would be living with them as if they are animals or another type off human race.
Then you can't tell dreams apart from reality.I don't remember saying I was asleep or just woke up...
QuoteThen you can't tell dreams apart from reality.I don't remember saying I was asleep or just woke up...
If you don't agree or have an open mind to this subject, don't bother posting here or critisize what everyone says.
This was a subject for those that were interested, it has been completely spoiled due to ignorance.
I do agree that there are possible explainations for these things, but you obviously don't know what any of us have gone through.
So you don't believe in air or oxygen, ok
Then why did you go on and on about it?
Ghosts and magic are religious beliefs.
It's amazing that the world is crawling with ghosts and angels and genies but the only thing this massive community of people can offer to the public is some anecdotal evidence and blurry photographs.
You know who you sound like? That oneiromancer guy in that old alchemy thread who said that he could put a curse on me or whatever. He couldn't prove anything, either.
QuoteSo you don't believe in air or oxygen, ok
Actually this was a pretty funny example of disproving since both air and oxygen are both visible and can be sensed under specific conditions. All involving eyes. Specially air. Taking my words so literally isn't the best of methods in discussion but since you go for it I might as well compare air with ghosts. Both visible under specific conditions, hmmm?
QuoteThen why did you go on and on about it?
This was lame, lol.
QuoteGhosts and magic are religious beliefs.
Religious belief to you, buddy. Taking explanations as you see them fit, lol. Also try not to open a fancy dictionary explaining ghosts and magic because that particular dictionary holds a subjectional definition of it in all its glory and therefore it's rather unreliable.
You aren't a cynical corpse that goes through life without selfrespect and does what others tell ywou, no? Then you probably have principes and beliefs of your own, yes? Some, or most of them, probably involve religious aspects of anykind, even just a common theory of love, no, yes? I might as well call you a believer. Following this, everything in the world is a belief and a matter of perspective, yes? If so, I guess ghosts and magic are religious belief. If no, then you talk nonsense. Heh.
Well I might aswell enlighten a thing or two. Every being on this world radiates a particular energy and magnetism (and all of this what I'm talking is science-based and proved by the same, since obviously that tickles your boat).
Common thing you see is how we react on a contact with something electrified
and how can we charge each other by spontaneous contact, spread electricity through bodies in contact
or just a common thing called "guts" that tell us something for each person you spot.
The spirits (which I will divide to ghosts and angels/demons as there's a difference) as eminences aswell have their radiation and it is affecting machines. Simply put, their essence is of somewhat different state, appearing on a particular frequencies and zones differing from our own and just as we affect things, so do they. Through electromagnetism which is far the most common appearance in the world. What do you think why everyone always speaks about doing stuff like this under few candles and a weak lamp or a flashlight? Not to freak you out while you're watching horror movie but because the apparitions are causing disordering interferences that usually affect machines and electric power current. Why that happens? probaby because we did not develop to suit their needs but ours and we are different and we function different. Because of that, the recording cameras, pc systems and digital cams usually drop dead or turn off. That's why all you can do is eventually take a quick photoshot with non-digital camera. The old recording cameras could probably record it aswell, under condition they don't need electric powersource or won't be damaged but people usually do not posses an antique recording camera at home.
QuoteYou know who you sound like? That oneiromancer guy in that old alchemy thread who said that he could put a curse on me or whatever. He couldn't prove anything, either.
Cursing and magic is a completely different topic and although I would not call that person and idiot for practicing it, I'd call it an idiot for thinking it can curse you because to curse someone first of all you need a ritual and something that belongs to you...but nevermind this, this has nothing to do with it and as you may notice, I do not just tell stories, rather, I tend to follow some scientific logic behind it.
A question why they always see black, tall figure is a good one and can be compared with the scientifically aproved issue involving people who spend a long time isolated and in a small room (usually prisoners) or those who get really drunk - prisoners see and have visions of ants everywhere an drunk people get visions of white mouses. No one knows why.
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Ghosts and magic are religious beliefs.
Religious belief to you, buddy. Taking explanations as you see them fit, lol. Also try not to open a fancy dictionary explaining ghosts and magic because that particular dictionary holds a subjectional definition of it in all its glory and therefore it's rather unreliable.
Not a religious belief? You believe that there are higher powers and that you can interact with them using rituals.
You wanted to drag the dictionary into this, eh? Well how would you define "ghost"? I think the dictionary's definition is pretty accurate and unbiased:
"the soul of a dead person, a disembodied spirit imagined, usually as a vague, shadowy or evanescent form, as wandering among or haunting living persons."
If this isn't accurate then I want you to come up with a definition so that you can't hide behind "that isn't what I meant by 'ghost'".
QuoteSo you don't believe in air or oxygen, ok
Actually this was a pretty funny example of disproving since both air and oxygen are both visible and can be sensed under specific conditions. All involving eyes. Specially air. Taking my words so literally isn't the best of methods in discussion but since you go for it I might as well compare air with ghosts. Both visible under specific conditions, hmmm?
Everything can be observed in one way or another, but you can't directly see them. Gravity, for example, is invisible but you can infer its existence by seeing objects fall towards the ground.
I wasn't trying to make a joke. Why did you go on and on about something and then finish it by saying that you thought it wasn't real?
Not a religious belief? You believe that there are higher powers and that you can interact with them using rituals.
You wanted to drag the dictionary into this, eh? Well how would you define "ghost"? I think the dictionary's definition is pretty accurate and unbiased:
"the soul of a dead person, a disembodied spirit imagined, usually as a vague, shadowy or evanescent form, as wandering among or haunting living persons."
If this isn't accurate then I want you to come up with a definition so that you can't hide behind "that isn't what I meant by 'ghost'".
So because I don't think ghosts are real I have no self-respect? No, believing love is real is not religious belief. There is a difference between believing things that can be observed and proven and believing things that can only be proven to people who think the same way you do.
Yeah, I've got this kooky fetish for things that are real. The fact that animals emit small amount of electricity is common knowledge (you could have gotten that from The Matrix, although human brains do not generate enough energy to actually affect anything). Animals don't radiate magnetism, although migratory animals can sense the Earth's poles and use them to navigate north and south. Our muscles contract. Do you mean static electricity?
Or something called "intuition" which does not originate from static electricity.
It's pretty convenient that the only devices which work around these beings are the the most undependable.
Since when do drunk people always see white mice?
By the way, I cut out that inane babble about angels and demons because it was, well, inane babble.
QuoteSo you don't believe in air or oxygen, ok
Actually this was a pretty funny example of disproving since both air and oxygen are both visible and can be sensed under specific conditions. All involving eyes. Specially air. Taking my words so literally isn't the best of methods in discussion but since you go for it I might as well compare air with ghosts. Both visible under specific conditions, hmmm?
QuoteSo you don't believe in air or oxygen, ok
Actually this was a pretty funny example of disproving since both air and oxygen are both visible and can be sensed under specific conditions. All involving eyes. Specially air. Taking my words so literally isn't the best of methods in discussion but since you go for it I might as well compare air with ghosts. Both visible under specific conditions, hmmm?
That's also pretty funny, you said see, not sense in the first place. Did you change your mind suddenly? Anyways, ghosts can also be "seen" just like you said. I was just pointing out that you should be more specific (since Santa'll get you at your balls if you don't), so no hard feelings.
Also just like Santa said, you can observe that things exist.
So don't get me wrong, I DO support your point. Also I liked how you pointed out "Prove that it doesn't exist". ;)
@Santa: Take it easy. Your post was reported, no need to get mean.
QuoteI wasn't trying to make a joke. Why did you go on and on about something and then finish it by saying that you thought it wasn't real?
Nope, I took three points of view, twice divided the situation and took effort to explain a thing or two. Unlike you who searches through a comment, takes one sentence out, picks a suitable questions and ignores everything else relevant, I take myself time to actually try to explain why and howcome.
QuoteNot a religious belief? You believe that there are higher powers and that you can interact with them using rituals.
Just the way you believe we can't. And no, you don't know that. You believe that.
QuoteYou wanted to drag the dictionary into this, eh? Well how would you define "ghost"? I think the dictionary's definition is pretty accurate and unbiased:
"the soul of a dead person, a disembodied spirit imagined, usually as a vague, shadowy or evanescent form, as wandering among or haunting living persons."
If this isn't accurate then I want you to come up with a definition so that you can't hide behind "that isn't what I meant by 'ghost'".
You took that from a dictionary? Then you supported my point right. What does it say? "Usually as a vague, shadowy or evanescent form, as wandering among or haunting living persons"
So you believe what it says? If you believe what the dictionary says, how can you claim there's no such thing? Oh, you want to tell me that ghosts can also be imagined and made up in stories or movies and that the creator of dictionary took liberty to explain them as seen in movies and described in stories? That's a pretty pathetic work on dictionary, then. With that kind of work he might as well write down Magneto and describe fearsome x-man villain.
QuoteQuoteYou aren't a cynical corpse that goes through life without selfrespect and does what others tell ywou, no? Then you probably have principes and beliefs of your own, yes? Some, or most of them, probably involve religious aspects of anykind, even just a common theory of love, no, yes? I might as well call you a believer. Following this, everything in the world is a belief and a matter of perspective, yes? If so, I guess ghosts and magic are religious belief. If no, then you talk nonsense. Heh.
So because I don't think ghosts are real I have no self-respect? No, believing love is real is not religious belief. There is a difference between believing things that can be observed and proven and believing things that can only be proven to people who think the same way you do.
Completely misplaced conclusion (with already concluded reason). As for the other part of the reply, ok so what actually makes you a person whose belief that those things do not exist right on this matter? Do you have any proof that these things do not exist? No. Absolutely not. While, strangely enough, I at least offer you some kind of logical explanation why something occurs or does not occur, and while, strangely enough, people do eventually atleast show some kind of photography, all you do, on a contrary, is say "That's made up." and suddenly you are right. My ass. I'm looking at all of your replies here (and took time to check yours in other topics) and not once did you ever offer anykind of really, really well argumented complaint. All you do is negate things. The fact I can write 10,000 words about it, and you take out one sentence and ask a question over which I can discuss with additional 10,000 words on which you reply with "Inane babble" is pretty pathetic for someone who is desperate to offend a person thinking to know or believing into something you don't find fit.
QuoteYeah, I've got this kooky fetish for things that are real. The fact that animals emit small amount of electricity is common knowledge (you could have gotten that from The Matrix, although human brains do not generate enough energy to actually affect anything). Animals don't radiate magnetism, although migratory animals can sense the Earth's poles and use them to navigate north and south. Our muscles contract. Do you mean static electricity?
The magnetism is all-present in this world. And duh, "contacts". It's all about contacts and reaction. You perhaps don't believe in meditation and budism, then? How do you explain their floating above the ground when reaching ultimate state of mind? And if you by any chance think this is bullshit, think twice for they recorded them. Live. Or do you think that's yet another conspiracy and they altered the video? There are "things" in this world we are not aware of. Take that into concern next time.
QuoteOr something called "intuition" which does not originate from static electricity.
I never said it does, lol.
QuoteIt's pretty convenient that the only devices which work around these beings are the the most undependable.
Yes, I expected that coming. So instead of undependable devices, when people speak of ghosts in the time when there were no devices to record with, you'll say they made it up. And in the time of primtive tribalism, it was their primitivity. That's really convenient from you, too. You sound like the new pope. Rock is evil. Lol, right.
QuoteSince when do drunk people always see white mice?
Since the day of begining. Ofcourse not always and ofcourse not everyone but they do. And it's always white mices. For the difference, prisoners, (or anyone held that way) in those rooms where they spend a long time alone, always see ants. Walking around the room, attacking, eating them, walking over them, etc. Always.
QuoteBy the way, I cut out that inane babble about angels and demons because it was, well, inane babble.
Yes, this was also very smart from you, expected as well. "inane babble". You didn't study it. You know nothing about it. You don't even care. You never presented anykind of argument. Yet mine is babble, and you are right. Lol. Our new pope.
@Santa: Take it easy. Your post was reported, no need to get mean.
QuoteYou wanted to drag the dictionary into this, eh? Well how would you define "ghost"? I think the dictionary's definition is pretty accurate and unbiased:
"the soul of a dead person, a disembodied spirit imagined, usually as a vague, shadowy or evanescent form, as wandering among or haunting living persons."
If this isn't accurate then I want you to come up with a definition so that you can't hide behind "that isn't what I meant by 'ghost'".
OED has ghost as -
"n. 1 an apparition of a dead person which is believed to appear to the living. 2 a faint trace: the ghost of a smile
- origin Old English. 'Spirit, soul' "
nowhere does that state it is imagined. However, as there is no prove, it states "believed".
No, what you did was ramble on.
I can say with certainty that ghosts do not exist and I can defend this claim...
I have more right to say that I know the truth about ghosts than you do.
Wow! Because the dictionary defines it, it is real? So: are dragons real?
I don't know why I should offer any proof, since it should be apparent to anyone with the slightest bit of intuition that ghosts - disembodied souls - are not real. What evidence can I offer that isn't staggeringly obvious? Ghosts are an impossibility, their supposed existence flies in the face of hundred of year of scientific observation. It's like saying that if you jump hard enough you can fly.
Your "logical arguments" are pseudoscientific claims about static electricity and whatnot. As I've said before, your evidence points to nothing at all - blurry lights on a Polaroid is not evidence of ghosts but of a faulty camera.
By the way, don't bitch me out because you can't back up your goofy claims with anything solid. Sure, you can type 10,000 wordss about ghosts and I can reply with 'inane drivel" because it is drivel.
QuoteYeah, I've got this kooky fetish for things that are real. The fact that animals emit small amount of electricity is common knowledge (you could have gotten that from The Matrix, although human brains do not generate enough energy to actually affect anything). Animals don't radiate magnetism, although migratory animals can sense the Earth's poles and use them to navigate north and south. Our muscles contract. Do you mean static electricity?
The magnetism is all-present in this world. And duh, "contacts". It's all about contacts and reaction. You perhaps don't believe in meditation and budism, then? How do you explain their floating above the ground when reaching ultimate state of mind? And if you by any chance think this is bullshit, think twice for they recorded them. Live. Or do you think that's yet another conspiracy and they altered the video? There are "things" in this world we are not aware of. Take that into concern next time.
Then what kind of magical electricity were you talking about?
QuoteIt's pretty convenient that the only devices which work around these beings are the the most undependable.QuoteWhat the hell are you talking about?
If you stop reading half of the comment perhaps you'll understand something. I can't help you there.QuoteFirst you say it doesn't always happen to everyone and then you say that it does? Which is it? I've never heard anything about this and I have plenty of family members who drink.
Actually it's the oposite. Not tracking conversation there, Santa...Didn't think I'll have to bring it up, the mice factor was a common thing. At least "in past". Truth is it does not appear all the time or in all person but the very point is it's always white mices, gosh, how about you figure that out for once? Same thing for ants (which, I see, you constantly avoide). I didn't make it up, lol, it's a scientific fact. None the less.QuoteWhat is there for me to say, exactly? "Not all angels are nice"? You're right, I skimmed through it because there was no content in there whatsoever. You might as well have been arguing about magical laws from Harry Potter.
It was not a babble. You can say it perhaps had no actual importance in the post but it was not a babble - as long as you prove it opposite. Fetch that, Santa.QuoteIf my post was reported because I hurt someone's feelings I couldn't care less.
If this is related to me, I'm not hurt. Just amused by your lack of tracking.
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If my post was reported because I hurt someone's feelings I couldn't care less.
I can say with certainty that ghosts do not exist and I can defend this claim. You, on the other hand, can't defend your claim because the only proof you have are unverifiable anecdotes. I have more right to say that I know the truth about ghosts than you do.
that's just BULLSHIT. lol
I am worried though those who are less open to this sort of thread ripping apart claims by those that have experineced these things may make them stop posting... Fine put across your points but please try and do so nicely like well this could be another explanation, or are you sure it wasn't and then give a reason...
QuoteI can say with certainty that ghosts do not exist and I can defend this claim. You, on the other hand, can't defend your claim because the only proof you have are unverifiable anecdotes. I have more right to say that I know the truth about ghosts than you do.
Why not give reasons as to why you think Ghosts don't exsist...
Here is an Arguement why they do:-
When you die you loose 36grams in weight, thats the exact moment of Brain death, nobody can explain this...
What if thats your Energy / Soul being released... What if thats the whole purpose of life to reproduce to create more energy for a greater purpose...??
How comes so many people from all walks of life have a Ghost story of sorts, steeming from My-self to Royalty, and why has there been sightings world wide... Crysis Ghosts and poltergeists being the most frequent...
Poltergeist activity can often be linked to another reason of happening granted, but some times a Video is released that has no real way of doubting it, Check these out:-
BEST NET GHOSTS VIDS I HAVE FOUND
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/142990/if_u_dont_belive_in_ghosts_wait_til_u_see_this/
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/356699/scary_ghost_footage/
And again these two video's could have been staged, and with the latest of Video techniques and editing equipment you or I could create simular... But why would we want to ?...
I Have tried EVP that works and any one can do it, you just need a Magnetic tape recorder... (See here http://www.aaevp.com/)
Ouija Boards work... But its also been said to be mentally driven by the user... Make your own minds up buy one from Ebay:- http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=ouija
This thread is fucking lolarious.
Ouija boards are the stupidest fucking thing in the universe. A bunch of people yelling "I'm not moving it!" even though they have their hands on the thing.
So I'll just turn on a tape recorder and leave it lying around, and it'll record voices? Amazing! Fact i, it would pick up voices even if nobody was in the house. It i east to hear people talking outside.
Snopes disproved this.
As this thread has proven, people like to call anything that looks strange a "ghost".
QuoteOuija boards are the stupidest fucking thing in the universe. A bunch of people yelling "I'm not moving it!" even though they have their hands on the thing.
Before I had a real board I made my own, using a Scrabble set of letters and some Scissors in the middle... me and my mates played it, linking hands and sitting around it, the Scissors span spelling out the words... But we didn't put down a blank letter tab so we had no spaces, and it took us a week to work out what it was really saying and even then it made very little sense... But it was moving FAST and on its own... But if I recorded some thing like that then I guess people say ogh its a simple trick using Magnets or some thing... Nobody chooses to beleave this stuff... Just try some of it...
QuoteSo I'll just turn on a tape recorder and leave it lying around, and it'll record voices? Amazing! Fact i, it would pick up voices even if nobody was in the house. It i east to hear people talking outside.
Errr... I have done Ouija boards before with the Tape recording and the board has done nothing, but on the tape I had answers to all the questions I asked... The Voice are very low most of the time and the sound has to be right up, there's lots of static and its hard to make full sense all of the time it takes a few tries to get some thing half decent... But try it...
QuoteSnopes disproved this.
Snopes... Actually states its True... But I got the weight wrong its approx 21 grams... see the link:- http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp
QuoteAs this thread has proven, people like to call anything that looks strange a "ghost".QuoteWrong people world over have many different names for Ghosts, but they amount to the same thing...
Are you shitting me?QuoteAgain much on there looks like junk... Same with all these sites and this thread... But at the same time you shouldn't discredit the events try and disprove them, or ask about events before the event or what makes people think that its the only explanation for what they have seen...
Why not?
What to make of all this? MacDougall's results were flawed because the methodology used to harvest them was suspect, the sample size far too small, and the ability to measure changes in weight imprecise. For this reason, credence should not be given to the idea his experiments proved something, let alone that they measured the weight of the soul as 21 grams. His postulations on this topic are a curiousity, but nothing more.
Status: True.
If it was that easy don't you think that it would be commonplace, and that we wouldn't even be arguing about it?
If I take any tape of static and listened hard enough I'd hear voice too.
Most of the time I feel like I'm being watched I am not actually being watched.
Most of the time I feel like I'm being watched I am not actually being watched.
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Fear - You know the fealing you get when your being watched but your alone, or if you laying in bed and you think some is in there with you, right behind you should you roll over... or when your driving and think some one is in the back seat... This is a painting of what I think that some one looks like.
Funny enough from the point of painting this picture I don't get the feeling so much any more.
I think its a Djinn... The banished people that once walked the Earth before our time... now know in modern times as a Demon
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Fear - You know the fealing you get when your being watched but your alone, or if you laying in bed and you think some is in there with you, right behind you should you roll over... or when your driving and think some one is in the back seat... This is a painting of what I think that some one looks like.
Funny enough from the point of painting this picture I don't get the feeling so much any more.
Looks like a negro.
Why would two people with at least an ocean of space between them who hardly even know eachother that well imagine the same exact thing?
3) The image of a demon as a red-skinned monster is a popular one in our culture.
Looks like a negro.
[edit] Jinn in Islam
Muslims believe that jinn are real beings. The jinn are said to be creatures with free choice, made of smokeless fire by God (the literal translation being "subtle fire", i.e., a fire which does not give itself away through smoke), much in the same way humans were made of clay. In Islam, Satan is commonly believed to be a jinn, but he is believed to be an angel in Christianity and Judaism. (Angels have restricted free choice, and satan exploited this in front of God. See Shaitan). In the Qur'an, jinn are frequently mentioned and Sura 72 of the Qur'an named Al-Jinn is entirely about them. Another Sura (Al- Naas) mentions the Jinn in the last verse. In fact, it is mentioned in the Qur'an that Muhammad was sent as a prophet to both "humanity and the jinn."
The jinn have communities much like human societies: they eat, marry, die, etc. They are invisible to humans, but they can see humans. Sometimes they accidentally or deliberately come into view or into contact with humans. Jinn are believed to live much longer than humans.
Jinn are beings much like humans, possessing the ability to be good and bad. An "Ifrit" is a type of strong and powerful jinn. Evil or malicious jinn are called "Marid" usually they're malicious due to their feeling they have been usurped by humans, example "Shaitan". To protect oneself against evil jinn, Muslims say the Arabic phrase,"Bismillahi! Allahumma inna 'audhu bika minal khubthi wal khabaa'ith", or another dhikr.[1] Jinn have the power to transform into other animals and humans, and they are known to prefer the form of a snake. It is also known that they eat bones and their animals eat droppings, that is why it is forbidden to perform Istinja (washing) with those items. Jinns also have the power to possess humans, have much greater strength than them, and live much longer lives. In fact, according to some hadith, the great-grandson of Iblis, or the Devil (who was born before mankind), converted to Islam during the time of Muhammad, so he must have been thousands of years old. According to the majority of Islamic scholars, Qur'an states that the Devil was not an angel (which is believed by Christians), but a jinn who was given a higher honour and rank than angels.[2] According to Islam, angels are different physical beings,made from light and unlike the fiery nature of jinn, they are beings of goodness and cannot choose to disobey God since they do not posses free choice as humans and jinn, nor do they possess the ability to do evil.
In Islam, the jinn were said to be controllable by magically binding them to objects, as Suleiman (Solomon) most famously did.
It is said that one could kill a jinn with the Inwa, a manner of throwing the stone of a fruit so hard so it could, in fact, kill something. The jinn's power of possession was also addressed in the Nights. It is said that by taking seven hairs out of the tail of a cat that was all black except for a white spot on the end of its tail, and then burning the hairs in a small closed room with the possessed, filling their nose with the scent, this would release them from the spell of the jinn inside them.
Evil beings from among the jinn are roughly equivalent to the demons of Christian lore. In mythology, jinn have the ability to possess human beings, both in the sense that they persuade humans to perform actions, and like the Christian perception of demonic possession.
We do have birds, they look like flying hairy snakes.
People thought using a hunk of metal with wheels could magically carry us around for hundreds of km. But it wasn't magic, it was science.
Supernatural events, if true, have something to do with science, we just haven't found the science part yet.
Alot of enchounters can be explained as military test flights imagination or a person playing a trick on you.A lot of encounters can be explained as military test flights, your own imagination or another person playing a trick on you.
One, if a shortcut technology is not capable (wormhole travel, possibly something like hyperspace) then we have to assume that any visitors have traveled a long way to see us, and they would not come here to simply probe us, if alien life has traveled a few hundred years in stasis to get here, they would definitely make it a public affair when they arrive (other wise there would be no point in taking such a trip).I highly doubt that it would be a public affair, for a number of reasons. I will go into further detail later.
It was back when I lived at my old house, we had a 5ft deep swimming pool. Normally I don't like swimming outside, because I get sun-burned really ez... Well I was kind of bored after everyone had left the pool, so I put on my Snorkle thing and goggles, and went under water. I was just swimming in circles in the pool for like atleast 50 minutes, maybe more. I took the snorkle and mask off, and I felt the cold water hit my face and eye lids, but I didn't panic or anything so I just kept swimming underwater, I was actually breathing underwater somehow for like 15-20 minutes, I wasn't holding my breath or anything, just breathing like normal, I didn't feel any water go down my throat or in my nose. I don't know how or why it happened, but it was the best experience ever. After I lifted my head out of the pool and went to tell my mom to come outside and watch me breathe underwater.. she didn't come, so I tried doing it again, but I swallowed water and it went up my nose this time. Ever since I couldn't do it.. You know what... I'm going to make that a goal in my life, "To breathe underwater, without an oxygen mask or anything like that, once again."
Most people forget UFO means Unidentified Flying Object - or they are just too ignorant to accept that it does.
Most people forget UFO means Unidentified Flying Object - or they are just too ignorant to accept that it does.
Yes, that's true, but when most people talk about seeing a UFO they make it pretty clear that for them "UFO" means "flying saucer" or "super secret government technology". "Hey, all I said is that I saw an Unidentified Flying Object!" is their favorite fallback when you poke holes in their speculations about the Reptoid people from Alpha Centauri.
They are from the Zeta Reticuli, actually, and they are Reptillian leaders with Gray drones. Just so you know.I'm totally serious, this is not a sarcastic post.