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RPG Maker VX Ace is released! [First impressions]

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So, VX Ace trial is out.

http://www.famitsu.com/freegame/trial/vxace_trial.html

RGSS3 confirmed to be faster than RGSS2.

There seems to be a few tutorials in the help file. Tutorials that look suspiciously familiar.

Edit: Terrain tags are back!, Lot's of things are now handled by modules.

When selecting icons it shows you their index in a little box at the bottom.

There is an option for using a console window. (No more having to use print to debug "If you want to test it out go to the option in (G) Alt + G and click on the (C) option" then put on a script call puts "text or something")

RGSS3 features so far.

The RPG::BGM and RPG::BGS modules seem to have a "play" method that allows you to select where to start playing the music if the format is ogg or wav. Audio module also has the feature to play at desire position and to get the position with Audio.bgm_pos.

There is a method to play movies. Graphics.play_movie(filename).

There's a new TestBattler module that is part of RPG::System.

Windows can now have tones which seem to be changeable at RPG::System.

A few flags such as "japanese", version_id and game_title that are also part of RPG::System.

It would seem that they "fixed" the F12 bug by using a new internal method "rgss_main { SceneManager.run }".

There is a rgss_stop method which sounds very useful to me. It stops the the process of a script and basically loops the screen.

And there seems to be quite a few new methods for the Window class.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2011, 10:26:23 PM by modern algebra »

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according to some articles I read, everything BUT the scripts will work in this new version. All your music, maps and what not will work. What I am waiting for is some to transfer over the parallax scripts so that parallax can be done like it is in VX

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Going to wait for an English release to this.


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Let me know if it gets confirmed that there'll be an English release, or just smack me if there already is one and I'm just being a lazyass for not bothering to look.




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4way passability is also back too. Tilesets are greatly improved - you can again set bush and table tiles manually, in addition to ladder passability so that the character is facing the right direction when climbing ladders.

Autoshadows are gone and replaced with a simple 16x16 paint tool accessible on the map itself.

I didnd't have a lot of time to look around at everything, but so far there are only improvements.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2011, 11:25:42 PM by modern algebra »

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Because it's on the trial, even if you don't know Japanese most scripters can easily recognize old features and symbols because they are similar to previous iterations of the software, and as for the new ones they are pretty obvious.

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ahh understood

do we know when the English version comes out?

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Nope, but there is already a full translation of the the Trial software. It's not a legal one so I don't know if I'm allowed to post any links to it.

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I wouldnt. Any ways I really want the english version out soon. Wiki sais both versions go on sale december 15 (worldwide) but I have no idea if thats right...

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yeah, I don't have an english version, but as TDS says, the scripts are still in Ruby :)

The message system is way better designed too. Not only does it have better default features, like choice boxes, and key item selection, but more importantly the script itself is much better designed and far easier to alias. There is a lot more room for compatible message systems now, which means it is feasible to design them feature by feature rather than make one big script like the ATS. That would allow users to make more tailored choices about which features they want added, and you could even use message system features designed by multiple different scripters.

Also, it looks like the special codes are global by default, which means you can change colours, use icons, even make new lines anywhere - like in descriptions (help windows are now two lines, btw).


Also neat - areas aren't just rectangles any more - instead there is a paint tool that allows you to colour the area for each map, and when you select an enemy, you can either make it show up in all areas or up to three separate areas (or more, as it looks like you can simply set up two slots for the monsters).
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modern algebra, I thought you would be more hyped about the console window.


(How to activate the console window)

Since you can't change the scripts you can try it out using script calls (Should be on Tab 3 of event commands and the last on the right column). Pretty sure I don't need to tell you how to use it, but for everyone else who wants to try it out it just use "puts" or "print" to output the contents to the console window.
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Yeah, after playing around with ACE a bit it seems pretty awesome. Can't wait for the full release. Anyways, IMO:

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Also neat - areas aren't just rectangles any more - instead there is a paint tool that allows you to colour the area for each map, and when you select an enemy, you can either make it show up in all areas or up to three areas.

Probably the best feature. Will make things easier for scripter and non-scripter alike.

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haha, cool. I didn't even notice it. I'll try it out soon.

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*whimpers and pines for an officially translated version* ;-;

I think I'm going to whimper, too... we english-speakers are so forgotten!! D: (not really... but, yeah...)

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Videos have to be .ogv : (
Or at least it looks like it.

Fibers have been introduced for handling items through the interpreter, which is nice.

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Random question for any musician who might be reading. When obtaining the Midi playing position it gives me a value in increments like: 0, 33076, 66152 etc all increments of 33076. Is it that way with all midi/ogg or does the value change as part of a setting.

Trying to figure out how to get the current position of the midi playing in seconds rather than those large values so I can make a method to play at a certain second.

Also something I discovered while playing with the Audio, it would seem that you need to stop a song before playing it again. Otherwise the song wont play at the desired position.

For those who want to try it out for themselves.

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filename = 'Audio/BGM/Field3'
Audio.bgm_stop
Audio.bgm_play(filename, 100, 100, 0)

prev = -1
loop do
  if Audio.bgm_pos != prev
    p "Play Pos:" + Audio.bgm_pos.to_s
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It should all fit within a script call.

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VXAce Database - Rough Translations

Check it out for a look into a (roughly) translated database.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2011, 02:11:54 AM by LoganForrests »
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I dont think many people will use this until some scripts are made.

Alrighty then; challenge accepted :P

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#    Geomancy [VXA]
#    Version: 1.0
#    Author: modern algebra (rmrk.net)
#    Date: December 1, 2011
#++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
#  Description:
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#    This script allows you to set it so that certain skills can only be used
#   on particular types of terrain.
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#  Instructions:
#
#    To set it so that a skill can only be used on particular terrain tags,
#   simply put the following code in the notebox of the skill:
#
#        \Terrains[x, y, ..., z]
#
#   where x, y, ..., z are the terrain tags you want to enable it for. If you
#   don't set this code at all, then the skill can be used on any non-excluded
#   terrains.
#
#    You can also do it backwards - if you want the skill to be usable on all
#   terrains EXCEPT specified terrains, then you use the following code:
#
#        \!Terrains[x, y, ..., z]
#
#   where x, y, ..., z are this time the tags you DON'T want to be able to use
#  the skill on.
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# ** RPG::Skill
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#  Summary of Changes:
#    new method - valid_terrain?
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class RPG::Skill
  #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  # * Valid Terrain?
  #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  def valid_terrain? (terrain_tag)
    if !@valid_terrains
      @valid_terrains, @invalid_terrains = [], []
  self.note.scan (/\\(!?)TERRAINS\[(.+?)\]/i) { |match|
    match[1].scan (/\d+/) { |tag|
  if match[0].empty? 
    @valid_terrains.push (tag.to_i)
  else
    @invalid_terrains.push (tag.to_i)
  end
}
  }
    end
    return false if @invalid_terrains.include?(terrain_tag)
    return true if @valid_terrains.empty? || @valid_terrains.include?(terrain_tag)
  end
end

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# ** Game_BattlerBase
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#    aliased method - skill_conditions_met?
#==============================================================================

class Game_BattlerBase
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  # * Skill Available?
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  alias mal_vxageo_sklconds_6gc1 skill_conditions_met?
  def skill_conditions_met? (skill, *args, &block)
    return false unless skill.nil? || skill.valid_terrain?($game_player.terrain_tag)
    return mal_vxageo_sklconds_6gc1(skill, *args, &block) # Run Original Method
  end
end

If anyone else wants to play around with writing scripts, it's not too hard but it's a pain.

The trial doesn't let you save any changes made to scripts, but you can get around it. Basically, all you need to do is create a new project in RMVX Ace. Then, go to the folder in which it is created, go into Data, and copy the Scripts.rvdata2

Create a new RMVX (Not Ace) project. Go into the Game Folder, and then go into Data. Paste the Scripts.rvdata2 into the Data folder, delete Scripts.rvdata, and rename the Scripts.rvdata2 to Scripts.rvdata.

Now, when you go into the VX project and go to the Script Editor, you will see that they are the scripts from RMVX Ace. It will obviously be totally broken if you try to play test, so you'll have to script blind. Once you write your script, save the project. Go back into the Data Folder of the RMVX project. Copy Scripts.rvdata and move it to the Data Folder of the RMVX Ace project. Delete the Scripts.rvdata2 and rename Scripts.rvdata to Scripts.rvdata2. Now playtest the RMVX Ace project. The changed script won't show up in the Script Editor (since you can't shut down without the whole project being deleted), but when you playtest, the script will be interpreted with the rest and so you can test it there.

It would be a huge pain if it was a script that needed to be tested often. Anyway, now I've written my first script for RMVX Ace :) I attached the Scripts.rvdata2 with it included if anyone wants to test it out, though it's kind of boring.

Also, that's a great idea to go through it like that LoganForrests. Thanks for doing it.
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Congratulations modern algebra, I think that may be the first public functional VX Ace script.

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I've downloaded this and it looks like they've listened to everyones complaints, multi tilesets for one
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From what I could tell, parallaxes are identical to RMVX, with the exception that you can change the parallax of a map in-game through an event command.

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I think we know by now that RMVX Ace is more powerful scripting wise, but what about the editor itself? How is the map editor, how do tilesets work, are there any new event commands added?

Is the editor more like RMVX or more like RMXP. How is the RTP, is it the same chibi-style RMVX has or more mature like RMXP did?

RMVX did not convince me to abandon RMXP, and so far neither has this new version.

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I think we know by now that RMVX Ace is more powerful scripting wise, but what about the editor itself? How is the map editor, how do tilesets work, are there any new event commands added?

Is the editor more like RMVX or more like RMXP. How is the RTP, is it the same chibi-style RMVX has or more mature like RMXP did?

RMVX did not convince me to abandon RMXP, and so far neither has this new version.

They added in the same tileset system as xp, where you can import and set them up like so. There are a few new commands, especially regarding the built in "follow" or "Caterpiller" party command, as well as the reserve party. The reserve party system they added looks very similar MA's Party Reserve Script to me. And the party can follow the main player around and the active player can be changed, as well via the menu. This can all be stopped with event commands, of course. It also seems there is some kind of character face & sprite generator built in the game. There's also now a "Magic Defense" attribute, which I greatly enjoy that was not in VX. I also believe there is a built-in enemy battler background system, where you can change the background to images when fighting, but I'm not totally sure. I believe you can also have random encounters when on a boat now. I think there's also a character biography system built in, as well as an overall better status screen? I think there's also an "optimize" command in the inventory, but I'm not 100% sure.

The editor seems like a perfect mix between RMVX & RMXP to me. It brings back all the good aspects of xp into vx, with some stuff added. The chibi style is still like vx. The tilesets look a little better then the old vx, as well, in little ways.

That's all I recall for now. I personally believe that Ace is worth it, and I look forward to the full release. :) Hope that was any help.
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Thanks for that information. That has convinced me that it's at least worth checking out.

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I kinda dig the layering and the tileset options. I also like the built in character generator. Of course, I got the Japanese version and I'm not that hip on kanji, so...
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Tried out the trial today. It's pretty nifty, but the character generator is pretty limited. Also I can't dig the VX-style RTP, but that's more personal taste. I don't know if I will use this often but it looks promising.

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Tried out the trial today. It's pretty nifty, but the character generator is pretty limited. Also I can't dig the VX-style RTP, but that's more personal taste. I don't know if I will use this often but it looks promising.

I heard that the generator may get more detailed in the full version. The vx-style sprites bother me a bit, too, but I think the mack ones are nice in that case ~

I kinda dig the layering and the tileset options. I also like the built in character generator. Of course, I got the Japanese version and I'm not that hip on kanji, so...

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I certainly am, and thank you very much!
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There are a lot of new features. Interesting.
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I just tried it out and I think it's pretty cool, though I dealt I'll buy it.

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What waiting time do we have to expect, for the English release? Also, is it $60 like the last one?
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What game mechanics are affected by the new "luck" stat? Is it just there, to be used in the new damage calculations?

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Will the new RPG Maker feature 3 different layers, like RPG Maker XP?
There are some indications, but I can't find a picture that proves it.

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Some YouTube videos say, that VX Ace will only feature 2 layers.
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In a sense it does have 3 layers but you can't control it that much? It's the same as VX.
The 3rd new layer might as well be the region area :P


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Perhaps the 3rd layer might also be the layer, you can reach by using ladders?
Ladders are assigned under the tileset flag in the database and allow you to reach "higher" parts of the map.

I saw a YouTube video, where these ladders were used to reach impassable tiles on top of cliff tiles.

Anyway, I think they made a really bad decision. They should have just added 3 regular layers like in XP and everyone would have been fine.
You don't force anyone to use them, but now everyone who wants to do some simple overlapping, has to use the event layer.

This was a major issue, that kept many people from using VX over XP and they could have fixed it with little effort and no disadvantages for less advanced users.

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VXace works extremely fine to me.
Mapping isn't bad either, also the ladder, bush, counter whatever is also in XP. It's one of the tile passabilities.
Ok well Ladder isn't in XP but you get the point :P

And vxace returned a lot of things and improved anyway so  :blizj:
(Like unli tiles for your game and not single anymore, terrain tags, REGIONS, etc.)
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It seems good but what is the point of everything being able to copy over from VX but scripts most of my game would not work with no scripts so there would be no need to copy it over?

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I still think they should have added a layer, that would allow users to layer B - E tiles over one another.
The simple VX system, where you can map without changing layers manually would have still been possible.
I will get VX Ace either way, but it's wasted potential imo.

What's the ingame resolution this time?

Edit: Don't mind me, I found it. It's the same as in VX.

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I still think they should have added a layer, that would allow users to layer B - E tiles over one another.

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I still think they should have added a layer, that would allow users to layer B - E tiles over one another.

Region Tiling :D

Now, don't get my hopes up. Care to explain it to me, using a few pictures? ;D
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Where can I get a full copy of this?

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Where can I get a full copy of this?

Wait until it comes out in the US and buy it, of course.

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Mid February is the estimation.


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Release date for the English RMVXA is March 15, 2012. The price is exorbitantly high at $90, but apparently you will get a discount if you have already bought a copy of RMVX, a discount if you pre-order, and a discount if you participated in the competitions to win an advance copy; I don't know if those combine or not.


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Also if you entered in the "Lets make a scene!" contest you get another 20 or 25 percent off, so I'll probably buy it.

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Why so high? ._.
it's like a metaphor or something i don't know

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Hmmm, I dunno. I'm pretty comfortable with VX, but there ARE some really nice features in VXA. $90 is pretty salty- although I didn't read what the discounts for pre-order and owning VX will be. If that knocks it down to $60 I might do it.
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$90 is absolutely absurd, how they think to justify that price when XP and VX were cheaper and this is, more or less, a far improved VX is beyond me. Of course, sure they give a discount to VX owners but that seems like an excuse they came up with to sell this for a higher price. The worst part is that I'd probably pay $90 for this if I were still interested in making games as this is by far the best maker up to this date in my opinion... the price would be justified better if this were the first english maker to be released.
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That is a little pricey at just under £60. I can't imagine the pre-order discount being enough to make it worthwhile still, but we'll see. At least it isn't as expensive as the Japanese retail version which comes out at over £100/$160.

I'll probably save up for it a little at a time. It's a nice platform and RGSS3 is much better to work with.
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It looks like the pre-order discount will only be $14.99, so the price will still be $75: http://preorder.rpgmakerweb.com/ace/

I haven't heard anything about a discount for people who already own RMVX, so that might be a false rumour.

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The official translation is second to the fan-made one
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Is kemomonimi intentionally left in, or something that forgot to be translated?




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Apparently they felt on the Japanese side that "kemomonimi" was a well known term and did not need changing.

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I use that download and most of the text is still in japanese, has anyone gotten this issue?

Tooltips, script comments, default text...

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No, mine was fine. However, if you are loading a game you made in the old Japanese version, then all of the Database terms will be in Japanese. But new projects should all be in English.

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Reinstalling it worked.

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Hrrrm... well, just in case anyone needs this for any reason, anyways...

There's a database translation here (post #7). :o
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There is one untranslated "Cast a spell" text for one of the holy light spells, "rat" is spelled as "rate" and shock apparently deals ice damage...

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Ahhh, didn't see that. I noticed that "level" was "dagger" on mine, though. o.0

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