Bad RPG Maker Game Reviews?

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In the world of game making, the most enthusiastic creators are usually talentless children between the ages of 10-15 with a complete lack of creativity, let alone ability. These people flood the game making scene with atrocious pieces of garbage, and cannot take any light criticism without making some bullshit excuse. Fuck that, I'm not gonna take "this is a beta screenshot" or "these are old, I have better maps now" as an excuse. If you have better maps why don't you replace the old ones? And besides, why would you post garbage screenshots in the first place?

Of course the makers will take offense to any criticism directed their way, but should I care? That's what's been holding me back from reviewing bad rpg maker games, and if people find it to be offensive maybe I shouldn't go through with it. So the big question is, should I review bad rpg maker games? Even if I exaggerate its shittyness? Swear a lot? Humiliate the maker?

And if you said yes, the next question is: How?
I've been thinking of doing videos, because that way I can set the tone of voice and show actual game play footage. However I still need to figure out how I could get this working, as I have attempted before but could not get sound working. If all else fails I'll stick to written posts. If anyone has other ideas I'll consider.

Post your answer to my questions. It'll take a couple posts to convince me to do anything.


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It's very much a choice that everyone is free to make, if you think you should then you can
 always do that anytime you want to. But what worries me is how the not-so-good creators
will react to your relentless/devastating reviews. Even if it may well be true, they'll instinctively
protest against it and provide dumb reasons and whatnot. Then again, some people can
accept harsh critiques and would probably improve from a review. Depends on the creators, really. :|

Videos or Podcasts is a more effective media for reviews, it's a very good idea to use them for
RM games especially to make it seem a bit more "indie" and different. Personally, I think there's
nothing stopping you to review bad games.

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this would be fun.  The AVGN of RMRK.

Podcasts/Videos would be ideal, but text reviews would work very well.  Also be scathing and remorseful in your review.  The game is utter crap and you should let them know it.  But then offer some advice on how to fix it, so that anyone watching can learn the 'DON'T EVER FUCKING DO THIS IN A GAME AND HOW TO FIX IT' as opposed to just flame flame flame

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this would be fun.  The AVGN of RMRK.

Podcasts/Videos would be ideal, but text reviews would work very well.  Also be scathing and remorseful in your review.  The game is utter crap and you should let them know it.  But then offer some advice on how to fix it, so that anyone watching can learn the 'DON'T EVER FUCKING DO THIS IN A GAME AND HOW TO FIX IT' as opposed to just flame flame flame

An AVGN style was what I was aiming for. But I didn't wanna make it seem like I'm copying him completely either. And because I was going to try the Angry Nerd type of review, a video was the best bet. I'll consider the "DONT EVER DO THIS, DO THIS INSTEAD" type of approach I suppose.

As for the creators, I know they will inevitably fire back with excuses and etc, and that's the main thing holding me back. I don't wanna make it seem like I hate the creator, I just wanna let them know their game sucks. I'll consider doing it, but it'll be a while from now as I have to find some shitty games, play them, record them, and all that stuff. RMRK will be the first to know of course.

For now, anyone else can keep adding to suggestions on how I should do this.


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Video interviews sound like a fun idea, but to answer your original question, if the game looks like shit and the kid's 10-15 and they've already gotten all defensive when other people offer polite critique, i wouldn't bother. In fact, i think you've already answered your own question, partner.

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As for the creators, I know they will inevitably fire back with excuses and etc, and that's the main thing holding me back. I don't wanna make it seem like I hate the creator, I just wanna let them know their game sucks. I'll consider doing it, but it'll be a while from now as I have to find some shitty games, play them, record them, and all that stuff. RMRK will be the first to know of course.

of course they'll have excuses.
they always do.
shouldn't stop you.

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It's force of habit someone to defend their project when someone says that it's bad, no matter how politely it's put. But as long as you're being realistic and offering constructive criticism rather than just flaming, I think everyone'll be fine with it. For example, I don't want you saying "Your maps are shit, go die in a fire", but rather something like "your maps are shit, try doing this or doing this tutorial".

Videos are always good, as long as they're decently made. Maybe it's just me, but people like watching reviews more than reading them, for some reason.




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How about something like Zero Punctuation?

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Personally, I feel that the best way to deal with a bad game is just to not review it at all.

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It's force of habit someone to defend their project when someone says that it's bad, no matter how politely it's put. But as long as you're being realistic and offering constructive criticism rather than just flaming, I think everyone'll be fine with it. For example, I don't want you saying "Your maps are shit, go die in a fire", but rather something like "your maps are shit, try doing this or doing this tutorial".

Videos are always good, as long as they're decently made. Maybe it's just me, but people like watching reviews more than reading them, for some reason.

Not true Zylos. You usually say the game is bad in ways where they thank you for it.
It does not sound like the review will be of this case. It sounds more like angry teaching reviews which are fun on their own although maybe more for other viewers than for the game author(s).

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It's force of habit someone to defend their project when someone says that it's bad, no matter how politely it's put. But as long as you're being realistic and offering constructive criticism rather than just flaming, I think everyone'll be fine with it. For example, I don't want you saying "Your maps are shit, go die in a fire", but rather something like "your maps are shit, try doing this or doing this tutorial".

Videos are always good, as long as they're decently made. Maybe it's just me, but people like watching reviews more than reading them, for some reason.

and then there are some people who can't even take polite constructive criticizm.

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In the future when mentioning people who are overly defensive, let's assume we're talking about that .-.

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I think it's a good idea for its entertainment value - I don't think it is going to be constructive by any means.

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I think it's a good idea for its entertainment value - I don't think it is going to be constructive by any means.

Yeah that mostly. I wanna do it for fun, since rpg maker games are usually worse than real ones. But I can also give advice on how to improve too.
Anyways, my main problem is recording sound. I cant record game sound and voice at the same time, so I'll have to figure out how to do that before I can make anything. If all else fails I could just do post reviews =\


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I can do your editing if you need.

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My World Crafters had a terrible review on a podcast of game reviews. The person that reviewed it was harsh and after listening to a few more podcasts, I figured out he hates playing games. He took an unfinished project that was rushed to release for his "release something day." I suppose after 6 months of work, the game was far more completed than anyone else's.

He said the game was full of typos, which cannot be true, considering all dialog was written in Word, so I figure the typos he found were ; marks ; which is gramatically correct.

I could keep going, but I just wanted to vent about this. Sorry.
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maia raises a good point. You have to make sure the flaws you find are actually flaws and your not just saying it for the sheer fun of it. If someones mapping is not exactly the best but by no means the worst, you shouldn't comment on how 'absolutly shit' it is or anything like that. Comment on the mapping of course but within reason.

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I went on a review spree on another site with little games that I could just play quickly.

I did the good, the bad and then coached. I have heard never critique, only coach.

The ass that reviewed the game did make a good point, sort of like not saying the bad stuff with a whisper but rather yelling it.
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Time for a test run? :|
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To expect anything other than garbage from an amateur community is stupid, and your games are probably just as shitty, you just don't realize it.

But by all means, do what you have to.

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It would be really cool if RMRK had a time machine to make that post relevant.

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Just trying to get this show back on the road boss lol

Seriously, why are all these threads dead?

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Obviously a thread dies when the interest in its topic dies. So, like half people that posted in this thread don't come to RMRK anymore or no one cares enough to make it.

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It is a nice thought though... Completely humiliating people for the enjoyment and benefit of everyone but that person... Someone quick! Send me some links to terrible games!
Ok, DON'T EXPECT HELP FROM ME~! I will perhaps rant a bit, but don't expect me to do graphics for you, even if I say I will... I won't.

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Hmm, good idea, if this works there might not be as many terrible games XD
As a thought, its the ones who think that there games are "all that" that take criticism harshly, the ones who think their work is okay, take it better.

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Yeah, I think so too... It would be really fun to do, and it would also be informative... I think I could totally do it given the chance... I'm serious though... Send me some linkies!   ;D
Ok, DON'T EXPECT HELP FROM ME~! I will perhaps rant a bit, but don't expect me to do graphics for you, even if I say I will... I won't.

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To expect anything other than garbage from an amateur community is stupid, and your games are probably just as shitty, you just don't realize it.

But by all means, do what you have to.

If this wasn't RMRK you'd be shitted down the throat for necro posting. People are already doing these reviews on youtube, just search up bad rpg maker games. If you ever seen AVGN, that's more fun to watch than a playthrough of the actual game. And obviously the idea was dropped due to the "concern" we had for our community, so be thankful I'm not going through your game right now.

I find it funny how this made you angry though. You look at a topic 2 years old and you criticize me for asking if it would be cool to make entertainment out of otherwise boring games. The point that probably pissed you off was that I was directing it at shitty games, therefore I can reason that your game must be shit, ergo you got offended. My first VX project got over 100,000 hits, so maybe I have the right to expect a little more from a community, designed to help and foster the growth of indie games. The only reason shitty games exist is because people think they can take any script or resource from this site, throw them into a random shitstorm of a plot, and expect people to coherently understand it. God forbid I enjoy it.

Granted a number of games are intentionally shit, and those are at least fun in the context that they represent actual games. Eye of the tiger, tower of weed, final fantasy 7 (for 2k3).

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If you actually plan on doing this, you can either be serious and find flaws in the game which need fixing, or just play joke games while pretending to not know they are joke games.
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I would still like to do this... Actually, I think your first idea is right, rather than AVGN style, I could make a more reasonable, kindly sort of review... Actually be constructive and all that..
Ok, DON'T EXPECT HELP FROM ME~! I will perhaps rant a bit, but don't expect me to do graphics for you, even if I say I will... I won't.

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I could make a more reasonable, kindly sort of review... Actually be constructive and all that..

and suddenly the entertainment value is lost.

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A person not neccessarily AVGN but he does bad game reviews
http://www.youtube.com/drakiyth/
And you cant even call him a hypocrite because hes making a game and it looks ossim
But i am for Angry Rpg maker Nerd

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Obviously you are not part of a certain little group of im guessing mentally unstable people on YouTube