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SO what did you guts think about his hangging?
Was it fair to kill him a day before the Major Muslim holiday?
Would it have been better to just keep him in jail?

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Life imprisonment.

That's all I'm saying.

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^^^^'s right. Make him truly suffer.

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ok ummm i dont think anyone was allowed to video tape it, so its probably not out there. but i think its good justice, he killed many so he gets killed. and with imprisonment he couldve like escaped or something

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^^^^'s right. Make him truly suffer.
Execution isn't meant to make criminals suffer, it's meant to get rid of them.
They wanted to get rid of Saddam, not punish him. Why else do you think there was that mock trial?

Djangie, boo on you for wasting any time there.
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Well then, he should have suffered. He made other people suffer.

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So about that money...
They should of tossed him in a wood chipper. It would have kicked ass. Or have some big dude skull fuck him. Saddam was a jack ass.

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^^^^'s right. Make him truly suffer.
Execution isn't meant to make criminals suffer, it's meant to get rid of them.
They wanted to get rid of Saddam, not punish him. Why else do you think there was that mock trial?

Djangie, boo on you for wasting any time there.

Just because getting rid of Saddam is what the government wanted doesn't mean it was the smartest thing to do.

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Well the SMARTEST thing they could have done was put him in a woodchipper, not hang him.

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I disagree. Otherwise, they wouldn't have had a shot of his face post-mortem. If they just threw him in a woodchipper, all they'd have pictures of are bloody, unrecognizable pieces.

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I don't think it should have just been Sadam up there I think Bush or the Cabinet should have been there also, they left him in power after the Gulf so they should share some of that responicbility...

I do think he got what was coming to him... May be it was a too quick... But even still the end result is the same he is dead...

If you wanted a slow death for him, it would have been best to make a Tank to neck height place him in there with a Stock like fastening around his neck, have Sea water in the tank and add a new sea creature each week, add Dog Whelks first:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_Whelk (Flesh eating snails) then things like Crabs, and small crustations, Pipe fish, Jelly fish etc... small creatures... then add Box fish, when they die the release a Toxin that kills the nerver system slowly...

But that will make us no better than him... but then again, the Hanging looked very half arsed... the Executioners looked like normal guys off the street in Ski masks... all dressed different... It looked very odd...
 


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^^^^Thats why they declared war against him.

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Life imprisonment would be ok, but if they hanged him, i think it would be good if he got to celebrate the Muslim Holiday and see the new year.

They killed him before the new year and ON the good day for the Muslim's
Its TOOOOOO Unkind
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I Realy think the Us went to far with this, i mean the main holiday for them were a day ahead why would yoy do such a think were the US know that devine retebution would come, "the 7 bombs detonated the very day" its stupid i think  Bushy neads to be kicked in the head
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Saddam Hussein's fate was certain ever since he was caught. He gets mad props from me for making sure that the world knew his trial wasn't the Nuremberg Trial it was supposed to look like, but a simple kangaroo court. By staying in the limelight all this time he made people think about how great it was when Iraq was not synonymous with "civil war" and "disaster". Saddam might have been a dictator, but he kept his country together.

Why anyone gives a fuck about this holiday shit is beyond me. Doubtless it wouldn't have mattered to anyone who isn't Muslim if it wasn't near Christmas.

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If he hadnt been a dictator, he would have been a perfect leader.

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ok no offense. but if u watched that video i think youre a fuckin creep.
my opinion. sorry for the bad language. but anyone who can watch someone die no matter who it is...just to watch it for entertainment kind of thing thats gross.

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Quit your whining and grab some popcorn. They're about to let go of the noose!

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I disagree. Otherwise, they wouldn't have had a shot of his face post-mortem. If they just threw him in a woodchipper, all they'd have pictures of are bloody, unrecognizable pieces.

Zypher the reason the wood chipper is a smart idea is due to how unimaginably pain dying like that would be. It might be more painfull then when he gassed his own people to death.

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The pain would not last long enough though, Fu. Maybe if he was dispensed feet first slowly into the wood chipper, you'd have a point.

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The pain would not last long enough though, Fu. Maybe if he was dispensed feet first slowly into the wood chipper, you'd have a point.

Thats pretty much how I'd do it. I kind of thought that went with out saying.

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ok no offense. but if u watched that video i think youre a fuckin creep.
my opinion. sorry for the bad language. but anyone who can watch someone die no matter who it is...just to watch it for entertainment kind of thing thats gross.

Not really. It was such poor quality you didn't even get to see him die :((((
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I still havent seen the vid. Any one got a link?

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Just because getting rid of Saddam is what the government wanted doesn't mean it was the smartest thing to do.
Did I say it was? Anyways, it's just symbolic anyways, as has been noted.

ok no offense. but if u watched that video i think youre a fuckin creep.
my opinion. sorry for the bad language. but anyone who can watch someone die no matter who it is...just to watch it for entertainment kind of thing thats gross.
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I watched it more from curiosity than for entertainment. And Djangie's right.
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I saw the Saddam video. I still say a wood chipper would of been better.

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Actually, it wasn't chosen by the government to choose his execution, it was a traditional Iraqi execution, and I guess he had to wait 30 days before getting hung (hanged whatever you want to call it), after them choosing the punishment, or however you want to say it. If he was executed else where it could possibly insult some of his followers which wouldn't be good, same thing with publicizing it, that's why it wasn't video taped. But someone did manage to sneak in a camera of some sort.

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Hmm, here's something that could be said.

"Death is no more than an escape of life, which can in turn be and escape from life's suffering.  Being forced to live with one's sins is the worst of all suffering, and the greatest punishment as your mind festers and rots from the hell you have inflicted, until nothing is left than a shell of pain and wishes for death's escape"

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Hmm, here's something that could be said.

"Death is no more than an escape of life, which can in turn be and escape from life's suffering.  Being forced to live with one's sins is the worst of all suffering, and the greatest punishment as your mind festers and rots from the hell you have inflicted, until nothing is left than a shell of pain and wishes for death's escape"

Quote's by me if anyone asks, it really fits with this topic.

Of course, if he feels no remorse, then it's not punishment. Therefore execution would've had the same, if not a stronger, effect overall.
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OK... What if he wasn't hanged at all... What if that was one of his doubles...?

He had loads of them, and Iraq seemed to want him pretty badly... One of his doubles may have given his life for Saddams if his family got paid off...

Reason I say this is Saddam was so Brash and loud throught court, yet at the execution he said nothing he kept his mouth closed, his teeth or voice could have given away his true identity...

I often go with my gut feeling and some thing felt wrong about the whole thing...

Saddam should have been stripped of all clothing and placed into a Boiler suite, as all possetions including clothing is taken before a hanging... His head should have been covered before the Nuse was placed around his neck with a hood... There should have been only one executioner appoint by the court, not a gang of guys... there should have been a police esscort... (this was according to a news report on ITV prior to his death, on how it would take place)

I think what we are seeing is a fake video...

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Additionally, prior to an execution, the condemned offender's file is reviewed to determine if there are any unusual characteristics the offender possesses that might warrant deviation from field instructions on hanging. A physical examination and measuring process is conducted to assure almost instant death and a minimum of bruising. If careful measuring and planning is not done, strangulation, obstructed blood flow, or beheading could result. At the appropriate time on execution day, the inmate, in restraints, is escorted to the gallows area and is placed standing over a hinged trap door from which the offender will be dropped. Following the offender's last statement, a hood is placed over the offender's head. Restraints are also applied. If the offender refuses to stand or cannot stand, he is placed on a collapse board. A determination of the proper amount of the drop of the condemned offender through the trap door is calculated using a standard military execution chart for hanging. The "drop" must be based on the prisoner's weight, to deliver 1260 foot_pounds of force to the neck. The noose is then placed snugly around the convict's neck, behind his or her left ear, which will cause the neck to snap. The trap door then opens, and the convict drops. If properly done, death is caused by dislocation of the third and fourth cervical vertebrae, or by asphyxiation. A button mechanically releases the trap door and escorts then move to the lower floor location to assist in the removal of the offender's body.
 


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Nah... it could be real, but the fake Saddam... it just all looked to Lame...
 


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it had too...it was illegal to film during the thing, so they guy used the shitty video from his phone.
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Reason I say this is Saddam was so Brash and loud throught court, yet at the execution he said nothing he kept his mouth closed, his teeth or voice could have given away his true identity...

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well i don't think it would be fair to hang him on a muslim holiday!
BTW they hung saddam's half brothers

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OK... What if he wasn't hanged at all... What if that was one of his doubles...?

He had loads of them, and Iraq seemed to want him pretty badly... One of his doubles may have given his life for Saddams if his family got paid off...

Reason I say this is Saddam was so Brash and loud throught court, yet at the execution he said nothing he kept his mouth closed, his teeth or voice could have given away his true identity...

I often go with my gut feeling and some thing felt wrong about the whole thing...

Saddam should have been stripped of all clothing and placed into a Boiler suite, as all possetions including clothing is taken before a hanging... His head should have been covered before the Nuse was placed around his neck with a hood... There should have been only one executioner appoint by the court, not a gang of guys... there should have been a police esscort... (this was according to a news report on ITV prior to his death, on how it would take place)

I think what we are seeing is a fake video...

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Additionally, prior to an execution, the condemned offender's file is reviewed to determine if there are any unusual characteristics the offender possesses that might warrant deviation from field instructions on hanging. A physical examination and measuring process is conducted to assure almost instant death and a minimum of bruising. If careful measuring and planning is not done, strangulation, obstructed blood flow, or beheading could result. At the appropriate time on execution day, the inmate, in restraints, is escorted to the gallows area and is placed standing over a hinged trap door from which the offender will be dropped. Following the offender's last statement, a hood is placed over the offender's head. Restraints are also applied. If the offender refuses to stand or cannot stand, he is placed on a collapse board. A determination of the proper amount of the drop of the condemned offender through the trap door is calculated using a standard military execution chart for hanging. The "drop" must be based on the prisoner's weight, to deliver 1260 foot_pounds of force to the neck. The noose is then placed snugly around the convict's neck, behind his or her left ear, which will cause the neck to snap. The trap door then opens, and the convict drops. If properly done, death is caused by dislocation of the third and fourth cervical vertebrae, or by asphyxiation. A button mechanically releases the trap door and escorts then move to the lower floor location to assist in the removal of the offender's body.


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Reason I say this is Saddam was so Brash and loud throught court, yet at the execution he said nothing he kept his mouth closed, his teeth or voice could have given away his true identity...
Well, he was about to die of course he was quiet. Before he had a chance. Furthermore, he did talk.

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Reason I say this is Saddam was so Brash and loud throught court, yet at the execution he said nothing he kept his mouth closed, his teeth or voice could have given away his true identity...


umm...watch the video again...he did speak.
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So about that money...
Should I watch the saddam vid again to check who be right on the subject of saddam saying something?

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OK... What if he wasn't hanged at all... What if that was one of his doubles...?

You need to quit thinking up conspiracy theories.

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He had loads of them, and Iraq seemed to want him pretty badly... One of his doubles may have given his life for Saddams if his family got paid off...

So why would the US government allow a double to be executed instead of the actual man?

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Reason I say this is Saddam was so Brash and loud throught court, yet at the execution he said nothing he kept his mouth closed, his teeth or voice could have given away his true identity...

1) He was praying before he was executed and
2) No shit he was quiet, he was about to be hanged

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I often go with my gut feeling and some thing felt wrong about the whole thing...

Your gut feeling is useless.

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Saddam should have been stripped of all clothing and placed into a Boiler suite, as all possetions including clothing is taken before a hanging...

They were executing Saddam Hussein, not some ordinary criminal.

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His head should have been covered before the Nuse was placed around his neck with a hood...

He asked for the covering to be removed.

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There should have been only one executioner appoint by the court, not a gang of guys... there should have been a police esscort... (this was according to a news report on ITV prior to his death, on how it would take place)

That was the police. They had to protect their identity because, for some strange reason, they were afraid of what might happen to them or their family if people knew that they were involved in Saddam Hussein's execution. In fact, regular Iraqi police wear masks as well for the same reason.

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Additionally, prior to an execution, the condemned offender's file is reviewed to determine if there are any unusual characteristics the offender possesses that might warrant deviation from field instructions on hanging. A physical examination and measuring process is conducted to assure almost instant death and a minimum of bruising. If careful measuring and planning is not done, strangulation, obstructed blood flow, or beheading could result. At the appropriate time on execution day, the inmate, in restraints, is escorted to the gallows area and is placed standing over a hinged trap door from which the offender will be dropped. Following the offender's last statement, a hood is placed over the offender's head. Restraints are also applied. If the offender refuses to stand or cannot stand, he is placed on a collapse board. A determination of the proper amount of the drop of the condemned offender through the trap door is calculated using a standard military execution chart for hanging. The "drop" must be based on the prisoner's weight, to deliver 1260 foot_pounds of force to the neck. The noose is then placed snugly around the convict's neck, behind his or her left ear, which will cause the neck to snap. The trap door then opens, and the convict drops. If properly done, death is caused by dislocation of the third and fourth cervical vertebrae, or by asphyxiation. A button mechanically releases the trap door and escorts then move to the lower floor location to assist in the removal of the offender's body.

What are you trying to say? Nothing I saw in the video seems to have contradicted that procedure except for the hood part.
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I've got nothing agents watching people die for entertainment, but when heard that Saddam had been killed my heart sank...

And the execution was poorly done. It just shows how uncivilized those monsters really are. The man had dignity and grace and took his sentence very well even though they were mocking him..

Sure the guy killed a few people but it doesn't mean he's not a great man. No ordinary person could accomplish what he did, it takes something else.

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The story with Hitler doesn't start with "Hitler was a very evil man..."
The same thing is with Saddam. I mean, you have to be a genius to make and entire nation love you like that. Even if most of them are forced, the main thing is that he has an army behind his back that REALLY loves him. But there is one thing all dictators of the past have in common: They were beaten. This will happen to any dictator, even in the future.
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Uhh that explains most of it, I also think he has a nice face, out side of it all he looks like you could sit down and have a beer with him.

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The story with Hitler doesn't start with "Hitler was a very evil man..."

Of course not. Who the hell starts a story at the end?

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Well I think the man who all filmed it ain't bad cuzz I think we all need to know what happened there and not the fake stuff.

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I also think it was for the benefit of history. This way,, no one can say OH THAT NEVER REALLY HAPPENED, HE MUST HAVE GOTTEN AWAY, or fudge the truth some other way centuries on down the line. Now we have fact.

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The main thing I find odd is the Court should have appointed ONE exercutioner... there was a fair few more than 1 at the stand... And the person filming was a Goverment official... Why was it so convinently taped... the Video was done like the Camera was unrestricted, no dodgy shots etc... all done pretty well, surely those appointed to put him to death would have noticed, stopped proceedings and taken the Camera... May be they want you to think he is dead so they can tourture him... Not sure...

I love conspiracy theories... I just proved the one about Paul McCartney being a fake wrong (See this link:- http://digilander.libero.it/p_truth/ )... I like thinking outside of the box... (The Paul one, just put in the doubles real name Neil Aspinall into Wiki or google and get a photo of him today... the Guy went against the Apple Corp as a law suite there is no way he is walking around trying to be Paul... LOL)

Any ways... There are many other sites saying the video could have easyily been faked... All I am doing is saying what if ?...

I am no doubt wrong... But you have to admit the video was very amature esc... it does not look real...
 


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Holy christ. Learn how to use a fucking period already.

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Holy christ. Learn how to use a fucking period already.

You and me are on the same wavelength. I was bitching to gonorrhea about the exact same thing last night. I assume he does it because he's unsure where he is supposed to end the sentence.

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The main thing I find odd is the Court should have appointed ONE exercutioner... there was a fair few more than 1 at the stand... And the person filming was a Goverment official... Why was it so convinently taped... the Video was done like the Camera was unrestricted, no dodgy shots etc... all done pretty well, surely those appointed to put him to death would have noticed, stopped proceedings and taken the Camera... May be they want you to think he is dead so they can tourture him... Not sure...

Okay, you seem to be ignoring the fact that the man being executed was Saddam Hussein and not some random prisoner. You are also ignoring the fact that this was done b an unprofessional police force in a third world country.

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I love conspiracy theories... I just proved the one about Paul McCartney being a fake wrong (See this link:- http://digilander.libero.it/p_truth/ )... I like thinking outside of the box...

If thinking outside of the box gives you crackpot ideas like "Saddam is still alive" then I'll stay inside.

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Any ways... There are many other sites saying the video could have easyily been faked... All I am doing is saying what if ?...

And all we are saying is that you're obviously wrong.

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I am no doubt wrong... But you have to admit the video was very amature esc... it does not look real...

A few lines ago you were saying that it was done pretty well, but now it isn't? The video was recorded with a cell phone, what do you expect?

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He wants to destroy anyone who does not belive what he belives. He will stop at nothing to make everyone belive in his religon. It was right to hang him.

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So about that money...
He wants to destroy anyone who does not belive what he belives. He will stop at nothing to make everyone belive in his religon. It was right to hang him.

Dude, last time I checked Saddam wasnt a very religious man. Put more thought into what you say.

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He was probably using the term very loosely, the word religion representing Saddam's regime.

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A few lines ago you were saying that it was done pretty well, but now it isn't? The video was recorded with a cell phone, what do you expect?

The Content of the Video was amature... the Video its self looked un-hampered...

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You and me are on the same wavelength. I was bitching to gonorrhea about the exact same thing last night. I assume he does it because he's unsure where he is supposed to end the sentence.

I dunno, when you and your mate have nothing better to speak about than how I word my sentences don't you think thats getting a little Sad... I mean I don't give a Rats arse how I word my-self as long as the point gets across... Its like I could darw a detailed Man, you could draw a stick man... it's still a Man... That's how I see writting...

Oh... And is a Period this one ; or do you mean a commer , Actually in the US I think you call a Full Stop a Period ?... LOL Doesn't matter cuz I rarely use them... I don't care much for writting or literacy, like some of you don't care for drawing... Doesn't make me any less intelligent so I will continue to post here if I wish...

Intelligence is not measured by Spelling or Grammer...

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If the true Saddam was hanged I feel they did the right thing, he should have been put to death, But I think he should not have been hanged alone... Bush should have been up there also, for the amount of innocent people killed in bombings and for the many pointless deaths of US troops... Oh and the Fact he is making ILLEAGLE BIO WEAPONS... You know REAL WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION... like all those found made by Saddam in Iraq... oh hold on none had been found in Iraq, and the main aim was to remove the threat against the world and the American way of life of living in terror, not to liberate his people, that was a bonus...???

You do know that Saddam is now being hailed as a Marter... As many do feel he was wrongly killed... I think he was a very sick in the head kind of guy, but his countries value of life is much lower, you can kill some one and pay the police to turn a blind eye if your rich enough... Stoning and public executions are common place... Some even aired on day time TV... Not saying what Saddam done is right, but his country was very different and will remain very different for many a year to come, and I doubt a new leader will be much better...

I mean many of those so called live interviews the American troops done towards the start of the Iraq war, had been staged... The Questions and answers Bush asked had all ready been scripted and repeated by the troops... The fact Saddam was found in a house not a whole came to light by the Sqaud that found him some time after the event... So can you trust your Goverment 100%, so can you trust this Video 100%...? (That's all I am saying really)
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I dunno, when you and your mate have nothing better to speak about than how I word my sentences don't you think thats getting a little Sad... I mean I don't give a Rats arse how I word my-self as long as the point gets across... Its like I could darw a detailed Man, you could draw a stick man... it's still a Man... That's how I see writting...
Except that a more detailed drawing of a man shows attentiveness and professionalism.

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Actually in the US I think you call a Full Stop a Period ?...
Yes.

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Stop that.

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I don't care much for writting or literacy, like some of you don't care for drawing... Doesn't make me any less intelligent so I will continue to post here if I wish...
You're silly.

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Bush should have been up there also, for the amount of innocent people killed in bombings and for the many pointless deaths of US troops...
The former is collateral damage and the latter isn't pointless, it's a facet of war. So, no, he shouldn't be.


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Oh and the Fact he is making ILLEAGLE BIO WEAPONS... You know REAL WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION... like all those found made by Saddam in Iraq... oh hold on none had been found in Iraq, and the main aim was to remove the threat against the world and the American way of life of living in terror, not to liberate his people, that was a bonus...???
I've already addressed this in the now locked North Korea thread.

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You do know that Saddam is now being hailed as a Marter...
No fucking shit?

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Not saying what Saddam done is right, but his country was very different and will remain very different for many a year to come, and I doubt a new leader will be much better...
What? Iraq's fucked up? Hadn't heard that before!

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I mean many of those so called live interviews the American troops done towards the start of the Iraq war, had been staged...
You're on a roll with this stating the obvious thing today, ain't ya?

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The fact Saddam was found in a house not a whole came to light by the Sqaud that found him some time after the event... So can you trust your Goverment 100%, so can you trust this Video 100%...? (That's all I am saying really)
I can trust them to keep classified information classified, that's for sure. And I have better things to do than to question every fucking thing and believe crackpot conspiracy theories made up by basement dwellers who live with their mommmy and don't have a job or anything else to do but their furry porn and Xbox.
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You're silly.

Heard of an IQ test before ?... does that ask you to spell stuff, or write a book...?? My brain doesn't function the same way as others I am more creative rather than literal... I would have done great in Japan, they Draw Words and paragraphs with simple symbols, I could be famous for my Caligraphy over there... May be...LOL  ::)

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What? Iraq's fucked up? Hadn't heard that before!

So what was the point in over throwing Saddam if you agree the country wouldn't get much better who ever you place in leadership... and on that same note if that was pointless over throwing him and no weapons had been found then doesn't that make the amount of US troops that died a meaningless death...?

The appointed new leader has already stepped down... I wouldn't be suprised if the terrorist cells within Iraq don't end up running the country (the Terrorist cell that competes with the Tailiban, I can't remember their factions name I think will be the most likely and should that happen they will prey on the public in a mass campogn of hate towards the USA)... I think right now Bush is a little stuck as to what to do in the Iraq conflict...

We will see what happens in the next few months and see what sort of fall does happen once the US troops are withdrawn, then we will see what a difference killing Saddam has made to Iraq... I doubt they will have another poll to elect a new leader without US troops there... So I guess the person who is the mostpower-full will take the stand...

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I've already addressed this in the now locked North Korea thread.

Yeah your answer was he needs them for self defence... Doesn't change the FACT its ILLEGAL Though does it... They should be destroyed and Bush or whom ever responciple punished... Again Hang him...LOL... http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/4087

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Stop that.

LOL, LOL, LOL... Or Else...? LOL, LOL, LOL... You take these rants WAY too seriously...

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crackpot conspiracy theories made up by basement dwellers who live with their mommmy and don't have a job or anything else to do but their furry porn and Xbox.

Oh.. and whats furry porn ?... And I have my OWN house, yes I own one... worth £105,000.00 So Blah... And I love conspiracy theories... The whole of the X-files was one after the other... Conspiracy theories Good Head food !!!

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Saddam's Hench men are next to face the courts... Do you think they will be hanged ?

I think they will if they are handed over to the Iraq officials like Saddam...

Some-thing I have always wondered, all the soilders got handed a decks of cards showing all the most wanted dudes in Iraq and got told should they find them they will be Awarded... the Regiments that found them have they got almost a celeb like status now, did they get any awards etc... And did all those featured on the cards get killed or captured, how many are at large still...

I have not researched or looked on the NET... have no time at the mo...
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I don't buy in to conspiracy theories and all that, (thought they are interesting reads, if you have the time,) but there are a number of things that point to the person in the video being one of saddam's doubles. For instance, the fact that his wife and mistress both said that it wasnt saddam that the government had in custody, rather one of the lookalikes. Also the small fact that saddam's teeth were nearly perfectly aligned in older photos and videos of him, yet the person they show in captivity has misaligned, crooked teeth. I'm not saying that I don't believe it was him that was executed, I'm only saying that there are many ways for the government to cloud your perception of things that are happening in the world.

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Heard of an IQ test before ?... does that ask you to spell stuff, or write a book...?? My brain doesn't function the same way as others I am more creative rather than literal... I would have done great in Japan, they Draw Words and paragraphs with simple symbols, I could be famous for my Caligraphy over there... May be...LOL  ::)
It doesn't necessarily detract from your intellectual abilities in totally unrelated fields (for lack of a better word), but it definitely makes you look very dumb and shows you have incapacities in certain fields.

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So what was the point in over throwing Saddam if you agree the country wouldn't get much better who ever you place in leadership...
The point was to eliminate an enemy to the US and potential threat to world peace, or so the logic was. Again, I don't agree that the Iraqi invasion was necessary or even a good idea, but that's irrelevant.

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and on that same note if that was pointless over throwing him and no weapons had been found then doesn't that make the amount of US troops that died a meaningless death...?
No. The war was pointless, yes, but that people died there is just an facet of war and doesn't quite equate to murder.

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I think right now Bush is a little stuck as to what to do in the Iraq conflict...
I think everyone is.

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We will see what happens in the next few months and see what sort of fall does happen once the US troops are withdrawn, then we will see what a difference killing Saddam has made to Iraq... I doubt they will have another poll to elect a new leader without US troops there... So I guess the person who is the mostpower-full will take the stand...
Relevancy?

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Yeah your answer was he needs them for self defence... Doesn't change the FACT its ILLEGAL Though does it... They should be destroyed and Bush or whom ever responciple punished... Again Hang him...LOL... http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/4087
And UN says what?

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LOL, LOL, LOL... Or Else...? LOL, LOL, LOL... You take these rants WAY too seriously...
Figured it was a good idea, seeing as this is a debate.

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Oh.. and whats furry porn ?... And I have my OWN house, yes I own one... worth £105,000.00 So Blah... And I love conspiracy theories... The whole of the X-files was one after the other... Conspiracy theories Good Head food !!!
...What?
Google furry porn, by the way.

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Saddam's Hench men are next to face the courts... Do you think they will be hanged ?
Maybe!

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And did all those featured on the cards get killed or captured, how many are at large still...
Your point?
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For instance, the fact that his wife and mistress both said that it wasnt saddam that the government had in custody, rather one of the lookalikes.
That doesn't mean anything though.


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Also the small fact that saddam's teeth were nearly perfectly aligned in older photos and videos of him, yet the person they show in captivity has misaligned, crooked teeth.
Many people believe the most fun part of lynching is beating the victim before and sometimes after hanging him.
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For instance, the fact that his wife and mistress both said that it wasnt saddam that the government had in custody, rather one of the lookalikes.

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That doesn't mean anything though.

Yeah cuz he WIFE doesn't know him from Adam...LOL

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Many people believe the most fun part of lynching is beating the victim before and sometimes after hanging him.

And the other reason could be it's NOT him... Cuz if your theory is right most of his bloods in his head and to move his teeth like that would mean lots of blood... or did they conviently wash that away... Flash, loves the jobs you hate...

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It doesn't necessarily detract from your intellectual abilities in totally unrelated fields (for lack of a better word), but it definitely makes you look very dumb and shows you have incapacities in certain fields.

Tell that to good old Albert Einstein he had issues simular to my own... Not saying I am a Genius, but I have a pretty good IQ scrore of 128...

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I don't agree that the Iraqi invasion was necessary or even a good idea, but that's irrelevant.

So then the American soliders that lost their lives did so for what reason...? And who sent them to an Early Grave for that Reason...? Sorry but you call me Dumb yet you Contridicted your-self massively... *Now put that Cone shaped hat on and sit in the Coner, Yep that hat with the D on it !!!*...LOL

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I think everyone is.

Apart from the Terrorists who are LOVING it... They are getting target pratice at the Americans... And the Americans are shooting the English and other Americans... So... Well... Blah, I can't be asked with this debate any more its a JOKE... you just have no Common Sense or Logic, your blinded by a Big Stripy star filled flag and Goat of a leader...LOL

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Relevancy?

Time,,, I bet will show Nothing the USA has done in Iraq has amounted to much... it will still be Iraq and have the same issues as it had before except there will be a Few New Oil pumps there with made in the USA on them... LOL

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And UN says what?

You tell me, what do they Say ?... The W E A P O N S are ILLEGAL... Illegal Equals B A D... Can you say M A S S D E S T R U C T I O N... LOL

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And did all those featured on the cards get killed or captured, how many are at large still...

Your point?

Is America going to go looking in holes for the rest of them before they pull the troops out of Iraq...?  If not then how many Goals did the USA obtain in this War, did you win or Loose thats why I ask... Also I was trying to get back on Topic and stop have hissy fights with you...

Look I am Impartial as I am not from the USA I have no reason to say all of this, I live in England... I have nothing to gain... The reason I do is I feel the WAR was wrong, thats my personal View, and I think nothing the War has done will change any thing. Saddam was bad but lets see what happens in thenext few years... I see another Pol Pot type situationn happening,God, I hope I am wrong...

I use the LOL when answering you as it's Laughable at how blinkerd you are...

I am not going to post to any more stuff America related... As I am starting to dislike my self for typing some of this more and more... This aint me... But boy are some of you guys stubborn, not whilling to look at all options, all sides of the story, but then again your Hospitals aint full of kids with legs and arms blown off... and there just Facest of War... NICE !!!

Was a Two min Video of Saddam Hanging worth such a slanted view of the USA...?

I respected the USA when I was younger... That's lost...
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Part of getting broken into the Internet.

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Yeah cuz he WIFE doesn't know him from Adam...LOL
People can't lie anymore?

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And the other reason could be it's NOT him... Cuz if your theory is right most of his bloods in his head and to move his teeth like that would mean lots of blood... or did they conviently wash that away... Flash, loves the jobs you hate...
Perhaps! Maybe they ducked him in water or some shit, not necessarily 'wash' per se. I don't see the logic in jumping to the conclusion that's a lookalike because his teeth ain't as pretty as they used to be, though.

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So then the American soliders that lost their lives did so for what reason...? And who sent them to an Early Grave for that Reason...? Sorry but you call me Dumb yet you Contridicted your-self massively... *Now put that Cone shaped hat on and sit in the Coner, Yep that hat with the D on it !!!*...LOL
You totally missed the point.

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Apart from the Terrorists who are LOVING it... They are getting target pratice at the Americans... And the Americans are shooting the English and other Americans...
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So... Well... Blah, I can't be asked with this debate any more its a JOKE... you just have no Common Sense or Logic, your blinded by a Big Stripy star filled flag and Goat of a leader...LOL
I am neither nationalistic or a fan of Bush. So, not really!

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Time,,, I bet will show Nothing the USA has done in Iraq has amounted to much... it will still be Iraq and have the same issues as it had before except there will be a Few New Oil pumps there with made in the USA on them... LOL
I meant relevancy to the discussion at hand- Saddam.

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You tell me, what do they Say ?... The W E A P O N S are ILLEGAL... Illegal Equals B A D... Can you say M A S S D E S T R U C T I O N... LOL
My question hasn't been answered yet.

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Is America going to go looking in holes for the rest of them before they pull the troops out of Iraq...?  If not then how many Goals did the USA obtain in this War, did you win or Loose thats why I ask... Also I was trying to get back on Topic and stop have hissy fights with you...
We haven't won. But we haven't quite lost, either. It's too early to decide, anyways.

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I see another Pol Pot type situationn happening,God, I hope I am wrong...
And why is that?

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I use the LOL when answering you as it's Laughable at how blinkerd you are...
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But boy are some of you guys stubborn, not whilling to look at all options, all sides of the story
Yes, I have. And this is the conclusion I came to. If I agreed with you would that mean I'm more enlightened and have looked at all sides of the story?

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God forbid the horror of war!

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I respected the USA when I was younger... That's lost...
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I've already addressed this in the now locked North Korea thread.

Yeah your answer was he needs them for self defence... Doesn't change the FACT its ILLEGAL Though does it... They should be destroyed and Bush or whom ever responciple punished... Again Hang him...LOL... http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/4087

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My question hasn't been answered yet.

I didn't mention the UN in the thing about USA illegal Arms... The only time I have mentioned the UN was about the War taking place... So why do I need to Answer what do the UN think ?... I am not a member...

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And why is that?

He started mass Geniside and killed about 3 million people... Say if the Terrorists take over Iraq, I mean they have the largest army and the police there wont be any match then the Terrorists will then be leaders of a Nation and their views heard much clearer by many of their own people, they will grow and so will there ideals... and the fact the Hospitals are full of Limb less kids also adds to that, they can use that to help spawn the hate towards the USA... So over throwing Saddam and fighting Terror

Over Trowing Saddam = If you got the right one well done... But who will take his place and will they be any better, the new guy just handed in his cards...

Fighting Terror = Well you gave the factions CIA training then sent in a load of Jarheads that shoot more of their own than they do the enemy, you blew up shed loads of inocent people, things that will never be forgotten to those people... All you have done is make the threat of Terror greater...

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Yes, I have. And this is the conclusion I came to. If I agreed with you would that mean I'm more enlightened and have looked at all sides of the story?

Both sides of the story...

American = The towers fall from an Act of Terror started by a Fall out that the Bushes caused with Bin-Larden... Enraged and feeling there must be retrobution, against the UN council Wishes they declare War against Terror and that also some how envloves over throwing Saddam... They send loads of Troops over after Bombing the heck out of Iraq and then skulk around in the desert securing Oil Fields... They then go looking for the Terrorist who know the attacks coming and have dug them selves well into secure locations on higher ground than the attacking force... Appache Gun Ships are getting shot down by famers, American's are shooting Unarmed people including an English News reporter who was unarmed in a car clearly marked... But the find a Saddam look alike hold him captive just encase they don't find the real Saddam... Once they see only a loss coming out of Iraq they suddenly find Saddam in a hole in the middle of know where... Odd, but strangers things have happened, liked the planes that hit the towers look nothing like the planes that took off that morrning...

Iraq = A country that is full of death, people being executed on day time TV, Terrorist factions running most of what goes on... A country run by a Man that oppresses his people and makes them disapear if they don't go along with his rule... A Man who killed thousands in the name of his ideals... A country that couldn't get much worst until the Americans bombed it... So all the people of Iraq that have all ready been persicuted and neglected for years have now been blown to shite by those claiming to be wanting to help them... And once the help gets there and some level of order starts Americans then give them the freedom of choice and hold a Ballet to vote a new leader, some thing NOT welcomed by most as they have always had regeems that take control, so some of the most power-full people in Iraq are mad... And hold a great sway in the supply of arms to terrorist and rebel like factions...

All this would have been easy to fore-see... some countries are beyond help... only the people of the country can change their ways, it can't be forced... The War was lost before it started... You can't fight terror in a populated area of pertentail recruits... Thats how I see it...
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Is this the Second Coming, or the Fourth Reich?
And I have my OWN house, yes I own one... worth £105,000.00 So Blah...

Okay, so it's pretty obvious that you're full of shit. Why even bother lying?

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Tell that to good old Albert Einstein he had issues simular to my own... Not saying I am a Genius, but I have a pretty good IQ scrore of 128...

Einstein probably wasn't dyslexic, and IQ scores are completely worthless.

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Look I am Impartial as I am not from the USA I have no reason to say all of this, I live in England... I have nothing to gain... The reason I do is I feel the WAR was wrong, thats my personal View, and I think nothing the War has done will change any thing. Saddam was bad but lets see what happens in thenext few years... I see another Pol Pot type situationn happening,God, I hope I am wrong...

Once again you show how full of shit you are. You are so incredibly biased and distrustful of the United States that you can't even admit that Saddam Hussein was executed and not a double.

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Einstein probably wasn't dyslexic - He was said to be, along with a fair few other famous people...

Saddam Hussein - Hope they did get the right one... but what if they have not, he had about 10 doubles so whats the chance you have one of em, 9/10... its kind of hard not to doubt it (the chances are higher that you have the wrong one than you have the right one)... Sorry... When was the last time I have been given a Reason to trust America or any goverment for that matter, they are all currupt...

To be Honest Jesus Hitler I am past carring... What do I care what you think of me or these topic's...

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I didn't mention the UN in the thing about USA illegal Arms... The only time I have mentioned the UN was about the War taking place... So why do I need to Answer what do the UN think ?... I am not a member...
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He started mass Geniside and killed about 3 million people... Say if the Terrorists take over Iraq, I mean they have the largest army and the police there wont be any match then the Terrorists will then be leaders of a Nation and their views heard much clearer by many of their own people, they will grow and so will there ideals... and the fact the Hospitals are full of Limb less kids also adds to that, they can use that to help spawn the hate towards the USA... So over throwing Saddam and fighting Terror
The only way this could happen is if the US withdrew prematurely.

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Fighting Terror = Well you gave the factions CIA training then sent in a load of Jarheads that shoot more of their own than they do the enemy,
Since when?
Oh, and refrain from derogatory terms, I don't call the Brits chavs or Iraqis sand niggers, I expect the same from you.

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you blew up shed loads of inocent people
So did the enemy. It's called collateral damage, and is indeed horrible but quite unavoidable.

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All you have done is make the threat of Terror greater...
I actually have to agree here, since there really wasn't that much of a threat of terrorism before Saddam was overthrown.

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American = <synopsis of the Iraq invasion>
Wrong. Iraq didn't have much to do with the WTC.

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They send loads of Troops ... in the desert securing Oil Fields...
Perhaps because otherwise the enemy could set fire to them, like in Kuwait. Although, of course, gaining control of them was always nifty for the West's fuel appetite.

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They then go looking for the Terrorist who know the attacks coming and have dug them selves well into secure locations on higher ground than the attacking force...
Are you talking about Iraq or Afghanistan?

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Appache Gun Ships are getting shot down by famers
No they aren't. They're getting shot down by enemy combatants disguised as farmers (or who may otherwise be farmers).

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American's are shooting Unarmed people including an English News reporter who was unarmed in a car clearly marked...
Yeah, but innocent, unarmed people die in every war. Also, the US troops are much better at selective fire than many other militaries, including the militias currently in Iraq (this is, not to say, perfect, of course, but they are human).


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But the find a Saddam look alike hold him captive just encase they don't find the real Saddam... Once they see only a loss coming out of Iraq they suddenly find Saddam in a hole in the middle of know where... Odd, but strangers things have happened, liked the planes that hit the towers look nothing like the planes that took off that morrning...
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= A country that is full of death, people being executed on day time TV, Terrorist factions running most of what goes on... A country run by a Man that oppresses his people and makes them disapear if they don't go along with his rule... A Man who killed thousands in the name of his ideals... A country that couldn't get much worst until the Americans bombed it... So all the people of Iraq that have all ready been persicuted and neglected for years have now been blown to shite by those claiming to be wanting to help them... And once the help gets there and some level of order starts Americans then give them the freedom of choice and hold a Ballet to vote a new leader, some thing NOT welcomed by most as they have always had regeems that take control, so some of the most power-full people in Iraq are mad... And hold a great sway in the supply of arms to terrorist and rebel like factions...
What?

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All this would have been easy to fore-see... some countries are beyond help... only the people of the country can change their ways, it can't be forced... The War was lost before it started... You can't fight terror in a populated area of pertentail recruits... Thats how I see it...
Untrue! It can be done, it's just very difficult!

Oh, and you are obviously incredibly biased against the United States.
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Jarheads = Nick name given To Marines due to their helmets... There was a film made called Jarhead... There's never been a film called Sand Niggers, its Fairly different... Nick names and derogatory terms... Its like me calling a Police officer a Copper Rather than me calling them a PIG... Get me... Nick name... I think a Marine is some one that is proffesional, I wouldn't say thats the case with many Marines you have sent out there, I have seen video's of the recruitment drive and the people they aimed to draft in had been selected from bad area's or poor educated area's... So I call them Jarheads, normal people with a years training at best with hardly any equipment and only just out of college, you call them Marines if you like but thats degrading your Army...

CIA Training was given to the Taliban by your own Goverment, the only reason they went renergade was the Bushes up-set Bin-larden in an oil and money despute...

CIA Training - http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Afghanistan/Afghanistan_CIA_Taliban.html
(You can find many other links, this one tends to go on a bit)

Bush and Bin Larden Fall out - http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/bin_laden_ties.html

Read why Bin Larden hates America - http://english.aljazeera.net/news/archive/archive?ArchiveId=7403

Your going to just say thats a load of rubbish or some thing, but most of these sites come from America so blame your neighbours...LOL
 


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Jarheads = Nick name given To Marines due to their helmets... There was a film made called Jarhead... There's never been a film called Sand Niggers, its Fairly different... Nick names and derogatory terms... Its like me calling a Police officer a Copper Rather than me calling them a PIG... Get me... Nick name... I think a Marine is some one that is proffesional, I wouldn't say thats the case with many Marines you have sent out there, I have seen video's of the recruitment drive and the people they aimed to draft in had been selected from bad area's or poor educated area's... So I call them Jarheads, normal people with a years training at best with hardly any equipment and only just out of college, you call them Marines if you like but thats degrading your Army...
...Jarhead was written by a former Marine who hated the Marines. And so what if they've been trained only a year? It's quite disciplined training, they can learn quite a bit, get more combat experience, and go back to training, and so on.
Also, how the hell is calling them Marines, a more respectable title, degrading the Army?

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This has been thoroughly addressed several times in the North Korea thread. They were facing invasion from the USSR, so we allied with them to prevent Soviet expansion. Things changed. Big deal. Stop obsessing over it, god.

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I was going to say, 'Nothing like terrorist attacks in America', but you seem fairly certain that 9/11 was staged because of Loose Change.

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...Jarhead was written by a former Marine who hated the Marines. And so what if they've been trained only a year? It's quite disciplined training, they can learn quite a bit, get more combat experience, and go back to training, and so on.
Also, how the hell is calling them Marines, a more respectable title, degrading the Army?

It's like me calling a Skoda a Tank... It's close but not quite there...LOL

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Stop obsessing over it, god.

You trained and armed those you now are looking for... What should I make of it ??

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staged because of Loose Change.

That and Bush wants to finish what his Dad started... The Oil... And may be other reasons unknown to us... But I am not Certain 9/11 was staged, just going by the Fact Bin Larden says he was not responciple... But wishes he was...

 


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It's like me calling a Skoda a Tank... It's close but not quite there...LOL
Škoda >:|

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You trained and armed those you now are looking for... What should I make of it ??
Oh my fucking god. Do you not comprehend the intricacies of the political side of warfare? The US NEEDED the Taliban to fight the Commies in the 1980s, now they're an enemy. Big fucking deal. Change happens, no one expected that. I've said this a dozen times and I'm not repeating myself.

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That and Bush wants to finish what his Dad started... The Oil... And may be other reasons unknown to us... But I am not Certain 9/11 was staged, just going by the Fact Bin Larden says he was not responciple... But wishes he was...
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Whatever... At the end of the day USA Help fund a Terrorist Cell, you can't escape that, it happend... Who cares if it was fore-seen or not that one day they would use that very same training to kill your own troops. (<- oh look I used a PERIOD) But they have... Don't care if they helped against Russia, they have always been a very active Terrorist Cell... Bit like the IRA, they have bombed the shite out of the English for years and the USA backed them:-

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You only fight Terrorists when they are against you, otherwise you fund them... HYPPCRITICAL, and darn right bang out of order...

I would like to leave the debate on the War on Terror to one side, may be start a new Thread, cuz this aint the place for it...

ANY WAY BACK TO TOPIC

Blair was on the news last night saying what he thought of the whole affair:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6245651.stm

Blair now set for a few questions into the way Saddam was hanged:-  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6246553.stm

The effects in Iraq from the hanging:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6238435.stm

Bush getting ready to announce the plans for Iraq:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6247047.stm

And how the above stand could turn into a repeat of History:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6245851.stm

(Like I have been saying... and saying well before any of this news got published)

But there is a Statement real link to some Americans talking about the whole state of things... Why isn't Bush as clued up as some of his people... he really is doing you guys no favours...
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This topic is giving me a headache.

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I had a minute of silence for Saddam last night... ;9

I was going to do it at the bar and ask everyone to join me, but I didn't feel like being ass raped by a bunch of obese bikers.

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You have obviously never actually had that happen to you before.
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Oh, and even though this topic is some what 'at rest', here goes...

On a final note about genocide, ever heard of a man called Christopher Columbus? I don't recall him hanging from a tree... Heroes and Villains, is there a difference..?

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There's a difference? Most of us would consider the Islamic suicide bombers to be 'Villains', but to them, they're Holy warriors of God. How can you define a difference when most, if not all, men in power have both labels?

It's just a point of view, nothing more. If you say you define the good guys and bad guys by what side YOUR on, then that's a little un-enlightened ( not that a Highlander would ever be un-enlightened mind you... ).

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Thats the sort of point I was trying to put across... But I used way to many words and Crap analagee's...

But a current I see things in an Americanized way.  The war on terror should continue, or at least the threat of it, to show we wont tolerate it, I just think any one caught in our countries commiting acts of terror should be delt with in a simular fasion to Saddam...

Say if a England born terrorist is caught, like those on trail now, I think if found guilty it should be seen as an act of treason, and I still think for Treason you should be put to death. (In England that is)
 


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Sadamn was the only person holding Iraq together, although only by force and his sheer will. In the end, he did in fact die as he wished, a matyr. A tyrant that could control his empire successfully.

A shame he died, I would have liked to have read his autobiography, as that is what most of the inmates who are in for life do over here in the UK.

I think he also died just because someone had a grudge against him, rather than justice but that is, my opinion.

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Kinsei kazoku no mottoo .

Seigi no mae no haamonii
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Harmony before Justice,
Balance before Peace,
Order before the last leaf falls

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You was on -27 a few mins ago, now your back on 1...

I think he should have been put to death, the man was forcing his people and their value for life into the ground.  But at the same time, the USA is forcing a change, like their way is the only way of life... I don't think any one nation has the right to police the world.  Fair enough if the people in Iraq took arms against Sadadam then yes give backing to the cause, but not take action before the people had acted them-selves.

At the end of the day, what world leader does not act in their peoples majoritys best interest, NONE... So if the leader is a bad one, than so to are the countries majority... To a degree...

 


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Sure, perspectives are different. Fine. However, murder is still murder. Does it make murder OK if I say 'Oh, well I'm just a freedom fighter.'? Saddam did plenty of that. Also, Columbus  was a dick, there's a reason he was removed as leader of his colony.

LoS, the Iraqi people had been subjugated and repressed by Saddam for decades. The Kurds rebelled once, and they got gassed. I'm sure you can imagine why the Iraqis wouldn't take the initiative.

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Sure, perspectives are different. Fine. However, murder is still murder. Does it make murder OK if I say 'Oh, well I'm just a freedom fighter.'? Saddam did plenty of that. Also, Columbus  was a dick, there's a reason he was removed as leader of his colony.


Well according to our men in the Army, uh yeh, it does make it all right. From their P.O.V...
When a country is at War, and a solider kills some one from the other side, is that murder?

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Apparently, there are many ways to view this.

The first, the peaceful equaltarianist's view, is that all killing is murder and is wrong.

The second, most common view in america, is that if it is justified, then it isn't killing. So say... Self Defense. However, this would put the U.S.A. in the catergory of murderers, because we initiated the war. However, others could say that we are now defending against insurgents, which is stupid because its only and endless cycle of violence.

The third view, the sadist's view, is that killing is great and we should all die in an orgy of blood. 

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The third view, the sadist's view, is that killing is great and we should all die in an orgy of blood. 
Hahahahaha :lol:

Exactly, points of interpretation. I promise you no freedom fighter would label themselves as murderers, nor would many people of their nations. I say it is fully justified, as with most killings, it's part of life. Death, it's really just change, isn't it?

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At the end of the day, what world leader does not act in their peoples majoritys best interest, NONE...

Especially not Kim Jong Il. There's a true man of the people.
No one can tell me he isn't acting in those people's best interests. I mean just look at the name of his state. Even the USA doesn't have all three of those words "Democratic", "People's" and "Republic" in its name.

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Excellent. I'd like to get that emblazoned on my jacket in case I ever need to kill somebody. I'm sure they'll understand. (so will the judge unless he's un-enlightened)

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Death, it's really just change, isn't it?

Excellent. I'd like to get that emblazoned on my jacket in case I ever need to kill somebody. I'm sure they'll understand. (so will the judge unless he's un-enlightened)

LOL, love it.

Someone once wrote a poem about when someone asks him what it was like to kill someone one the battlefield; he replies that he killed them because he was on the opposing side. If they had meet each other in the bar, he would of probably brought the man a drink and became friends. He killed him because it was his job. For no other reason.


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Excellent. I'd like to get that emblazoned on my jacket in case I ever need to kill somebody. I'm sure they'll understand. (so will the judge unless he's un-enlightened)
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Death, it's really just change, isn't it?

Excellent. I'd like to get that emblazoned on my jacket in case I ever need to kill somebody. I'm sure they'll understand. (so will the judge unless he's un-enlightened)
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he was being Sarcastic.

Keep intelligent debate INTELLIGENT people.

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Excellent. I'd like to get that emblazoned on my jacket in case I ever need to kill somebody. I'm sure they'll understand. (so will the judge unless he's un-enlightened)

Someone once wrote a poem about when someone asks him what it was like to kill someone one the battlefield; he replies that he killed them because he was on the opposing side. If they had meet each other in the bar, he would of probably brought the man a drink and became friends. He killed him because it was his job. For no other reason.

this is a very good point, although in modern warfare this could be contested.
Wars now aren't for things like land or dominion, but more for...well, America went into the Middle East to stop terror, therefore REQUIRING adversity against our foes. In WWII, I doubt any British companies would accept Nazi's as friends, and although after the war America and Japan have been on good terms, during the war I doubt any naval officers or otherwise would buy a Japanese man a drink at a bar, or whatever friendly example you'd like to use.

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SO what did you guts think about his hangging?
Was it fair to kill him a day before the Major Muslim holiday?
Would it have been better to just keep him in jail?

.....I'll get my own opinion posted later..

My personal opinion. They should have killed him ON the Muslim holiday.

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they killed him before so that they would calm down for the holiday and nothing big would happen.

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SO what did you guts think about his hangging?
Was it fair to kill him a day before the Major Muslim holiday?
Would it have been better to just keep him in jail?

.....I'll get my own opinion posted later..

My personal opinion. They should have killed him ON the Muslim holiday.

that would have sucked...

they killed him before so that they would calm down for the holiday and nothing big would happen.

Even the extremist believe in no violence on that day, so waiting to kill him wouldn't have done anything except let him live through an important holiday.
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at least let him enjoy a holiday before he dies, and if want him to die a bloody death, you're no better than saddam.

Yes its true we dont believe in violence on that day, terrorists will just shoot back n self defense.

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at least let him enjoy a holiday before he dies, and if want him to die a bloody death, you're no better than saddam.

I think you're a bit late. >_>
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