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Yeah go ahead, ask whatever ya want, rip me a new one if you see fit... Im just bored right now... ASK AWAY!!!!
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So you became a satanist because of the silly desire to be a hardc0re rebel / be different, right?
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nah, i just agree with their laws, it seems to fit my personality more than other religions
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Are you part of the real church, that doesn't actually believe Satan to be an existing figure?
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I follow The Satanic Bible written by Anton Szandor LaVey
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Well that's a little different then. I always classified the church of Satan as nothing more then a selfish version of Atheism. Nothing demonic about it...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Bible#The_Book_of_Leviathan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism
Just incase you wanna read up a little on it.
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I actually know a bit about the religion and they actually teach some good morals, as in not to steal, don't harm children respect other people and their homes etc. I truly find it quite amusing that they felt the need to associate with Satan at all, seems a little cheap when the Christian mythology has really close to nothing to do with the religion from what I recall other then Satan being a representational ideal.
Unlike what others would think, the church really isn't that obscure, it's basically a religion of self control and understanding. The church tends to enlight the idea of having intellect and a bit of self indulgence. The only thing that makes it just another religion in my eyes would be that it teaches things along the lines of using magic. Other then that it's really just a survivalist ideology... Nothing "evil" about it.
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DO you got horns and tails and are gonna pedo me and then eat me?
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DO you got horns and tails and are gonna pedo me and then eat me?
Horns and a tail... nah
But i will pedo you and eat you, but thats just cus your so damn fine :)
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Rumors have it that i have a penis.
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Rumors have it that i have a penis.
those rumors are false
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Well that's a little different then. I always classified the church of Satan as nothing more then a selfish version of Atheism. Nothing demonic about it...
Except the cults.
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you are a satanist ?
WHAT 's WRONG WITH THIS WORLD !?
DONT YOU SEE !
GOD IS JUST A MADE UP PERSON LIKE CHARMANDER AND SUPERMAN OR SOMEONELIKE ZEUS !
SO EVEN PEOPLE MAKING STUFF TO NOT BELIEVE DO BELIEVE IN SOMTHING..
so You all suck
:mex:
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Satanic cults shouldnt be affiliated with Satanism, They become steriotipical Satanist that want to do human sacrifices and all that other shit just cus the bible and the church says thats what ALL Satanists do, they know absolutely nothing of the religion most times, they just read things that say "This is what Satanists do" then they make their little cults and whatnot to rebel against christianity and their parents. and to look "unique" when really they just look like faggots.
And Snailer... Shut the fuck up
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Ummmm....lol @ Snailer.
I don't think that's what the church says about Satan cults. I've never heard it before.
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You obviously dont live in england
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No i dont
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Neither do I.
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hence why i said "you obviously dont come from england"
So anyone else with a worthwhile question?
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So anyone else with a worthwhile question?
I'm no Satanist, but I think I can answer this one!
No.
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This may be a stupid question, but why do you worship the devil?
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i dont, read the stuff i put from Wikipedia.
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Than why is it called satanisme ?
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Satanism is a religion and philosophy founded in 1966 by Anton LaVey. Its ethical teachings are based on individualism, self-indulgence, and "eye for an eye" morality, with influence from Friedrich Nietzsche and Ayn Rand, while its rituals and magic draw heavily from occultists such as Aleister Crowley. Borrowing Crowley's terminology, its adherents define Satanism as a "Left-Hand Path" religion, rejecting traditional "Right-Hand Path" religions such as Christianity for their perceived denial of life and emphasis on guilt and abstinence. Unlike traditional satanism, it does not literally worship Satan, but rather uses "Satan" as a symbol for people's natural inner desires.
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Even if you don't read the wiki, you could at least read the previous posts... ::)
(Real) Satanist don't believe The devil (or Yahweh for that matter) to be existing entities, they rather feel they are "ideals" to be emulated. I always found it rather funny that the church of Satan don't believe Satan to be real; "Satan's greatest trick was convincing the world he didn't exist". Very amusing and almost thought out...
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shadow, didnt you also read up on black magic to scare tez?
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Many people confuse Satanism for Paganism. The main difference between the two is that Satanism is stupid.
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shadow, didnt you also read up on black magic to scare tez?
i read up on chaos magic, and yeah it was to scare tez... turns out it is rather interesting
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Many people confuse Satanism for Paganism. The main difference between the two is that Satanism is stupid.
Guess it's a good thing that I dont give a fuck what you think then don't it
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Come on, admit it. You aren't a Satanist because you believe in it. You're just one because you think it makes you seem bad-ass.
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You're just one because you think it makes you seem bad-ass.
And I believe that for the same reason, he made this topic.
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no, like i said i was bored. Couldn't give a fuck if other people think that it makes me badass, i just believed in it, so i am one.
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Guess it's a good thing that I dont give a fuck what you think then don't it
God, calm down. What the fuck did you expect starting a topic like this? I don't have a problem with it because I have a rather open mind, but other people are either going to get offended, or think your just doing it to be "hard core" despite why your actually following it... You can't really expect to get any other types of responses then the ones you've received.
Q; do you tell people in real life that your a Satanist? If so, how do they react?
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Come on, admit it. You aren't a Satanist because you believe in it. You're just one because you think it makes you seem bad-ass.
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Rumors have it that i have a penis.
those rumors are false
he knows...he knowss....
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Come on, admit it. You aren't a Satanist because you believe in it. You're just one because you think it makes you seem bad-ass.
shadows scary enough to most people in our school, most people don't even think of hitting him,insulting ect. but most the time he don't act to impress, he just does.
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Guess it's a good thing that I dont give a fuck what you think then don't it
God, calm down. What the fuck did you expect starting a topic like this? I don't have a problem with it because I have a rather open mind, but other people are either going to get offended, or think your just doing it to be "hard core" despite why your actually following it... You can't really expect to get any other types of responses then the ones you've received.
Q; do you tell people in real life that your a Satanist? If so, how do they react?
If someone asks what religion i follow then yeah i tell em, its mainly the christian people in my school who have a problem with it cus they think im in some satanic cult or some other stuff, they normally just ask me about the religion and why i follow it.
Come on, admit it. You aren't a Satanist because you believe in it. You're just one because you think it makes you seem bad-ass.
Erm... What was the point in this?
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Basically to emphasize holkeye's point. I agree with it too, though I'll spare the quoting =p
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Many people confuse Satanism for Paganism. The main difference between the two is that Satanism is stupid.
laughing pretty damn hard right now
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Theistic Satanism is a general term for forms of Satanism which believe that either Satan/the Devil is an actual deity and/or force. Theistic Satanists are not atheists, and may believe in a conscious universe. Satan may be perceived as male and female, a Muse and the Bestower of knowledge (Gnosis). Believers may place a great emphasis on the Serpent in the Biblical tale of Genesis, whom they perceive to be one of the many emanations or incarnations of Satan. According to such teachings, Satan blessed mankind with the "forbidden" fruit of knowledge of good and evil. From this perspective, knowing both good and evil is the birth of wisdom.
It is for this reason that Theistic Satanists may perceive Satan as a Force for good, which may also be used for evil. Devil worshipers reject this idea, and see themselves as the enemies of "Good" and the servants of "Evil" in the name of Satan, who they see as the God of all that is Evil and in adherence with the Christian bible. Other Satanists refer to Devil worshipers as reverse Christians for that very reason.
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I could kiss you right about now.
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I don't think kissing him would be evil enough for you to do.
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I don't think kissing him would be evil enough for you to do.
:tpg:
It's just a kiss away..... ;9
Are satanists goths too? Do you dress in black and red?
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Is this live you lead as a satanist a happy one? Or is what the jesusHumpers say, a person not in the light of god can only know sadness.
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LaVey - Books are fairly interesting, liked the whole elemenatal structure and reading that hate is given to those that deserve it just like Love... Santanisium when reading his books (as long as you cast aside the rituals of sacrafice) the Satanistic approach is a good religion to join or at least hold some elements true to ones self... LaVey went about the writtings in an intelligent manner drawing from many a good source, and his thaughts and extensions of those grounding idea's is a great atempt in furthering Santisium...
I have a fair bit of respect for LaVey... Not that I follow or consider my self a Satanist...
Amoungst all the religious scripture I have read, his books are amoung the most interesting... The Book of Lucifer is as far as I got by I intend to read the others... I may have read them in the wrong order... But I made sense of most of it...
The Basic gist I got, was LaVey tries to show the religion as being not soley Evil, and Love and Hate should be looked at with the same view... And just as Lucifer was cast away from God and pretty much forgotten, so are we... And Lucifer being God's Angel must mean there was some good within him... Amoungst other things...
Back on topic
My question to you is why is it that in the most well docmented possesions do people claim to be possesed by Belial more than any other demon / demi God ?
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I don't think kissing him would be evil enough for you to do.
:tpg:
It's just a kiss away..... ;9
Are satanists goths too? Do you dress in black and red?
No im not a goth.
Is this live you lead as a satanist a happy one? Or is what the jesusHumpers say, a person not in the light of god can only know sadness.
Yes, i am actually very happy.
LaVey - Books are fairly interesting, liked the whole elemenatal structure and reading that hate is given to those that deserve it just like Love... Santanisium when reading his books (as long as you cast aside the rituals of sacrafice) the Satanistic approach is a good religion to join or at least hold some elements true to ones self... LaVey went about the writtings in an intelligent manner drawing from many a good source, and his thaughts and extensions of those grounding idea's is a great atempt in furthering Santisium...
I have a fair bit of respect for LaVey... Not that I follow or consider my self a Satanist...
Amoungst all the religious scripture I have read, his books are amoung the most interesting... The Book of Lucifer is as far as I got by I intend to read the others... I may have read them in the wrong order... But I made sense of most of it...
The Basic gist I got, was LaVey tries to show the religion as being not soley Evil, and Love and Hate should be looked at with the same view... And just as Lucifer was cast away from God and pretty much forgotten, so are we... And Lucifer being God's Angel must mean there was some good within him... Amoungst other things...
Back on topic
My question to you is why is it that in the most well docmented possesions do people claim to be possesed by Belial more than any other demon / demi God ?
Because The Satanic Bible names Belail as the Master of Mankind and the Champion of Humanity, which if im correct means that he is the most likely one to posses humans (I think thats what you wanted to know anyways)
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Master of Mankind and the Champion of Humanity
Most of the time he posses young women and has them do pretty pervurse things...
Neo-Aramaic - "Ah-nah-BELIAL!"(Translation:- "I am BELIAL!") Often shouted out by those possesed, or people in mental wards world over...
It's odd but it seems a Demon can possess multiple people at any one given time... either that or these people are doing plenty of research and pretending to be possessed or mental...
I am not sure on Santanisum being as LaVey has scripted...
Here's my thaughts
Demon's are creatures that have been on this planet from day one... They move in a differenet dimenssion to our own, Belial I think is a breed of creature (Many of them)... Negative energy that feeds of the pleassure of flesh, feeds off of you feeling ashamed, deminished or negative... May be every one to some degree is possesed by these creatures, like energy based parrasites.
I don't think one demon is responicple for the amount of people claiming possestion...
It's like Vodoo priests, they can summon Demon's/Gods into them, and many can envoke the same God at any one time... So that also goes to show there could be more than one of each of these creatures/demons...
Another Question
Do you think LaVey's books are correct, or do you think I may have a point in rasing cotradictions from Voduns and their summoning and envoking techniques ?
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I believe that what LaVey wrote in the satanic bible was correct, but i do think you have some point in contradicting summoning and envoking and all that stuff, i cant give my valid opinion on that sort of thing yet mainly because i havnt read much into the magical/summoning side of the religion. Thats mainly because of my parents, they accept the fact that i want to follow this religion, and intern for them allowing me to do so they asked that i not read up too much on magic and summoning cus they think i will try it out. So i agreed not too read into it that much.
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It does get fairly dark and twisted your right not to try it... Even reading about it, you think that will never work... and that in it's self wants you to try it...
There are some unexplainable things with the Ocult that feature from religin to Religion... Take Tarrot card reading for example... Harmless Gypsee fun right ?... WRONG... Ocultist... Look up the Golden Dawn... They had an understanding like none other religious sect on how to comune with the dead...
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I don't think your parents are doing too good of a job raising you if they're concerned that your "magic" (which is actually spelled Magick in most modern occultism) will have ill effects. The main reason being that magic is not real.
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I don't think your parents are doing too good of a job raising you if they're concerned that your "magic" (which is actually spelled Magick in most modern occultism) will have ill effects. The main reason being that magic is not real.
:tpg: :tpg: :tpg: :tpg:
Yeah. WTF, Magick is old English....
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I don't think your parents are doing too good of a job raising you if they're concerned that your "magic" (which is actually spelled Magick in most modern occultism) will have ill effects. The main reason being that magic is not real.
:tpg: :tpg: :tpg: :tpg:
Yeah. WTF, Magick is old English....
You must love sucking up to people
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I don't think your parents are doing too good of a job raising you if they're concerned that your "magic" (which is actually spelled Magick in most modern occultism) will have ill effects. The main reason being that magic is not real.
I don't think your parents are doing too good of a job raising you if they're concerned that your "magic" (which is actually spelled Magick in most modern occultism) will have ill effects. The main reason being that magic is not real.
My parents did a fine job raising me, so i dont care what you think about that either
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Of course you care; otherwise you wouldn't have even responded to it.
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You don't worship the devil, but you're a satanist....
How does this work out again? That's like being a christan who goes to church, but denying gods existence.
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read the wikipedia page, it should tell you on there.
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It's lies I tell you! ;)
No, seriously. Satanism is the act of worshiping Satan. Tell me how it's not worshiping Satan?
Why not just be an Atheist?
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read the wikipedia page, it should tell you on there.
Question: Why couldn't you just answer us? Do you not know? ;)
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i can answer, i just cant put it into words
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Do you mind telling us how you would answer? o.o
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Do you mind telling us how you would answer? o.o
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It is called Satanism because it represents all of the so-called sins, as they lead to physical, mental or emotional gratification.
dnno if you can make sense of that
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It is called Satanism because it represents all of the so-called sins, as they lead to physical, mental or emotional gratification.
dnno if you can make sense of that
It's called Satanism because you worship Satan.
Catholicism.
Satanism.
It's not Satanism if you don't worship Satan.
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you don't worship catholics in catholicism
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you don't worship catholics in catholicism
I was trying to make a point.
It is called Satanism because it represents all of the so-called sins, as they lead to physical, mental or emotional gratification.
dnno if you can make sense of that
Why not just become emo?
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It is called Satanism because it represents all of the so-called sins, as they lead to physical, mental or emotional gratification.
dnno if you can make sense of that
Why not just become emo?
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Wow, you know your sins REAAALLYY well... ::)
lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, pride
I never got pride, so if you made a machine that can cure cancer and solve world hunger... you can't be proud of yourself?
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Pride: boasting and emphasizing on the bad that others have done rather than congratulating yourself on what you have achieved.
Right?
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you don't worship catholics in catholicism
I was trying to make a point.
It is called Satanism because it represents all of the so-called sins, as they lead to physical, mental or emotional gratification.
dnno if you can make sense of that
Why not just become emo?
how would becoming emo do anything? and in proving a point... you didnt do a good job.
It is called Satanism because it represents all of the so-called sins, as they lead to physical, mental or emotional gratification.
dnno if you can make sense of that
Why not just become emo?
Wow, you know your sins REAAALLYY well... ::)
lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, pride
I never got pride, so if you made a machine that can cure cancer and solve world hunger... you can't be proud of yourself?
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You can be proud of yourself, but you can also show greed by not allowing anyone else to see or use them. Unless of course you wanted to.
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Well Shadowdude, I believe you.
If I found this Bible thing I would buy it and read it, then try convince my parents to let me follow it.
It actually sounds pretty cool to me.
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I got my bible from amazom.com didnt cost a whole lot, just check it out. If you wanna talk about it could just send me a PM or catch me on MSN if you got it
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do you believe in heaven or hell?
do you believe in God or the Devil?
do you believe that when you played the old evilsongs you will sometimes here a sound saying
"I am satan master of all blah blah blah obey me succumb to my power"
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Shadow will you ever stop your raping spree, will you also stop hitting me :'(
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Ever get tired of people on the internet being complete ass-sucking douchebags about your personal religious choices?
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you don't worship catholics in catholicism
I was trying to make a point.
And I was pointing out the flaw in your logic.
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Here I was all excited about a chance to be a dick and you guys went and beat me to it. So I guess I'll just be serious.
Why did you turn to religion?
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are you the only Satanist in your family?
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I should check this more often
Ever get tired of people on the internet being complete ass-sucking douchebags about your personal religious choices?
yeah, it gets quite annoying after a while
do you believe in heaven or hell?
do you believe in God or the Devil?
do you believe that when you played the old evilsongs you will sometimes here a sound saying
"I am satan master of all blah blah blah obey me succumb to my power"
God
Satanists do not believe that Satan is a god; rather, the function of God is performed and satisfied by the Satanist him/herself. That is, the needs of worship, ritual, and religious/spiritual focus are directed, effectively, inwards towards the Satanist, as opposed to outwards, towards God.
That should answer your first and second question
I didnt exactly understand what you said at the end of this.
Shadow will you ever stop your raping spree, will you also stop hitting me :'(
no and no
Here I was all excited about a chance to be a dick and you guys went and beat me to it. So I guess I'll just be serious.
Why did you turn to religion?
Im not so sure, maybe because i agree with what it stands for.
are you the only Satanist in your family?
yes
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So I'm condused.
Do you believe in the christian God?
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How do you feel about believing in the wheel in the sky, and then CHOOSING THE WRONG SIDE?
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Is Darth Vader Satanist?
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Is Darth Vader Satanist?
no idea. But if he isnt then he should be
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Is Darth Vader Satanist?
no idea. But if he isnt then he should be
Darth Vader is badass, he doesn't need a religion to make him badass.
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Is Darth Vader Satanist?
no idea. But if he isnt then he should be
Darth Vader is badass, he doesn't need a religion to make him badass.
How do you feel about believing in the wheel in the sky, and then CHOOSING THE WRONG SIDE?
But didnt Darth Vader choos the "Wrong Side" also? Does that make him satanist?
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I don't think they have satanism in StarWars.
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okay good point.... damn
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How do you worship? ???
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the same way you touch yourself at night.
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orly?
So does that make me a satanist?
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No.
He does it for worship.
You do it for pleasure
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Do Satanists sacrifice animals and stuff?
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Depends on what type of Satanist you are
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But didnt Darth Vader choos the "Wrong Side" also? Does that make him satanist?
I don't think they have satanism in StarWars.
okay good point.... damn
why do I find this so goddamn funny
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But didnt Darth Vader choos the "Wrong Side" also? Does that make him satanist?
I don't think they have satanism in StarWars.
okay good point.... damn
why do I find this so goddamn funny
I don't know... :-\
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You got satanists and devil worshippers. I personally believe there is pure evil out there but thats just me. I love Slayer, Venom and everything else that is evil. (basically thrash metal) Hail Satan! For the name and idea brought along my favourite kind of music. However satanasisim is just going from that bible nothing to do with sacraficing babies and burning churches or that sh!t.