How is Dec 21, 2012 NOT an arbitrary date? What is that, a Tuesday? Spoooooky.

It's arbitrary to you, because you know nothing of other ways of dating and timing things than what you were raised with, and what our society teaches. Time is an invention of man, and just because one group of people decides that December 21, or any other date is arbitrary, doesn't make it so for other people. Think of July 4th, and how it doesn't mean anything to Australians. What I'm trying to say is that words and numbers are just ideas. Do you understand what I mean?

I'm not really for or against the growing debate, but I just think about our calendar and how it's not arbitrary. Maybe arbitrary in when it starts and begins (since time is arbitrary), but not in how long it is considering our calendar is based on a year which is the length of time it takes earth to revolve around the sun 1 time. I would like to think of the Mayan calendar in this way where in its creation they weren't thinking about what day it would end, but rather how long would it be before a new one begins. (Mind you, I don't really know much of anything substantial about Mayans, so I don't know what a "new one" is referring to other than some event that you could relate to as the event we call, a year.) If it happens to fall on 12/12/2012, then that could be arbitrary in the respect that perhaps if they planned this calendar a single day before they did it would then instead end on 12/11/2012, and so on. My point is, whenever the calendar ends, it marks the end of something and the beginning of something else. I think it's along the lines of what Jonesy was talking about, this ends and new one just plops along, so to speak (even if they didn't get around to making a new calendar for it).

Also, I don't believe it's the end of the world. I never have for any of these doomsayer occasions.

~time is arbitrary, there is no denying that. So yeah, what Arlen says is true. It doesn't really matter what day it falls on and who made it up, but either way the calendar is marked for a certain span of time that is set. So like I said, if the Mayans (I'll reference Holk here) received the basic structure of the calendar from the Olmec perhaps a few years earlier or finished it's design a few days later than it did, the ending date would be different but the time span the calendar reads would still be the same. In either event, the supposed COMING OF DOOOOOOM is spent when the calendar is finished albiet a tuesday or wednesday or in 2012 or 2222.

Hehe, yeah, I do understand what you're saying. Honestly, I thought you were just playing devil's advocate, because you don't strike me as the type to buy into this kind of thing, so that last post was just me trying to be funny.

My Mac's date and time setting only goes up to the year 2037. I guess that's when the Apple company will die out.

Y3k, the end of Apple.

I don't really buy into it, but the truth is that the only way to know is to live through it and see for ourselves. The part of your posts that I was refuting was about the relevancy of dates and times, more than it was about the end of the world. I'm really big into ancient cultures and myths, so this type of thing piques my interest. Being interested in it doesn't mean that I believe in it, though. The Mayan cultures were eerily precise in their astronomical predictions and charting, which is pretty cool to me. That's what their calendar was based around, and like the sundial, it is a circle. This in itself is pretty coincidental, because circles and cycles have always been related parallel to life and the world. I just really like to look at all of these pieces and try to see the big picture they're trying to make. If it wasn't for Spaniards destroying all sorts of ancient texts in their bout to spread Christianity, we would probably know a lot more about these types of things.

here I was expecting a discussion about the up and coming movie.\


It looks sub-par, in case you were wondering.

looks like a generic end of the world film to me.
*shrugs*

We're all going to die

I didn't forget him =o  Chuck Norris is Immortal.. and so is exempt. 

He's also omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent




























Be afraid, be very afraid

except for Chuck Norris has been defeated at 5 times in real life and once as far as I know in a movie. Own'd by Bruce Lee.

you won't be able to in 2012 cuz the world will end.